TaradosGon posted:My understanding is that 2 BBY is when the Rebellion was formally declared when Bail, Mon Mothma, and some EU character (I forget his name) pooled their resources together and pledged their devotion to the cause. Rebellious acts existed prior to that, but were disorganized without any governing body providing coordination. What is seen in the ROTS cut scenes is the beginning of these politicians coming together to challenge Palpatine's power, but it was done so peacefully, nobody was committing to open rebellion at that point. Palpatine at that point in time had a large backing in the senate, and came to power legally.
Gry Sarth posted:nett40 posted:I never said it had to be a full blown all out rebellion to begin with, I specifically said the emerging rebel Alliance. That would be small pockets of resistance on various worlds (incl. Alderaan) meeting and conspiring in secret against the Empire. Leading to draconian measures, taken against their homeworlds by the Moffs of the Empire, if discoverd. You did say that you wanted full blown rebellion. You've been on and on about the fact that this show needs huge battles and clear cut good vs. evil motifs. You can't get that unless you have the full blown rebellion going on. What you mentioned now, wanting an emerging rebel movement, with small pockets of resistance and localized skirmishes is what everybody else has been advocating and you've been arguing against. The Rebel Alliance is only formed a couple of years before Yavin, but that doesn't mean there weren't all sorts of resistance groups popping about (and why not, resistance groups formed by the shadier side of society). On the Aldreaan thing, bear in mind that we don't really have any knowledge on what that situation is. The planet could have no weapons simply because it decided to take a pacifist stand when faced with the Empire's oppression, it doesn't necessarily means it was brought to its knees in a bloody war against the Empire.
nett40 posted:I never said it had to be a full blown all out rebellion to begin with, I specifically said the emerging rebel Alliance. That would be small pockets of resistance on various worlds (incl. Alderaan) meeting and conspiring in secret against the Empire. Leading to draconian measures, taken against their homeworlds by the Moffs of the Empire, if discoverd.
novajoe23 posted:I can't believe some of the things that this guy is saying, and actually believing them to be true. I'm surprised someone with such limited knowledge of the EU, or the use of the term "Clone Wars" vs. "Clone War," actually found his way to these Forums and actually frequents them. There's just one Clone Wars. Just because it's plural, doesn't mean that there has to be another one; it's an umbrella term for everything that happened between 22 and 19 BBY. Besides, names can change from what Yoda originally said. World War I was originally called the Great War, but was changed when there was another World War. Finally, as I said before, many of the events that you are referring to have already been fleshed out in various Expanded Universe media. It would be, to a degree, a waste of time on the show to simply adapt something that was someone else's idea. No one needs to see the movies taking up actual episodes in order to "develop characters." If they want to know about the characters, they can simply tune their televisions to Spike and watch the movies themselves. It's not that difficult, and it wouldn't waste episodes in the actual show proper.
brainwash posted:The start of the rebellion would be a great foundation for the TV series, especially using the Death Star plans heist as some kind of finale that leads into Ep IV.
Gry Sarth posted:What irks me most about your viewpoint, nett40, is that apparently you don't want this new series to tackle new issues. You don't want it to focus on anything that we haven't seen before. Basically what I'm hearing from you is that you want to merge Ep3 to Ep4, not create a new era in between. You want an extension of the Clone Wars (or a 2nd Clone War, whatever) on one end and an advancement of the full-fledged Rebellion on the other end, so that the show can focus on just these two things, without the need to create a new original galactic dynamic in between. Come on, we have some 18 years between Ep3 and Ep4, isn't it conceivable that in the middle of this period you would have neither Separatist holdouts nor organized Rebellion? Couldn't it focus on something NEW? I'm not talking about policemen chasing purse-snatchers, I'm just saying I have faith on GL to come up with something new and compelling that fits the timeframe.
Gry Sarth posted:Couldn't it focus on something NEW? I'm not talking about policemen chasing purse-snatchers, I'm just saying I have faith on GL to come up with something new and compelling that fits the timeframe.
nett40 posted: This is good news, cause then you would only have to cut the existing movies of the PT into half, and then add them into the series. If you add a few deleted scenes and new takes with the heroes, characters, of the new show/series then you would only need to use 6 or 7 TV-episodes out of approx. 20 in the 1st Season on this era.
nett40 posted:I have heard that the length of each TV-episode is going to be one-hour. This is good news, cause then you would only have to cut the existing movies of the PT into half, and then add them into the series. If you add a few deleted scenes and new takes with the heroes, characters, of the new show/series then you would only need to use 6 or 7 TV-episodes out of approx. 20 in the 1st Season on this era. The prime focus will be the emerging Rebellion against the Empire, maybe in a Flash Gordon kind of style BAD NEWS... IT SEEMS VADER IS OUT... I'M DEVASTATED
nett40 posted:I've said I wanted to see Huge battles between the Seperatist holdouts and the emerging rebels on one side and the Empire on the other... I simply don't buy the rolling over and play dead attitude, expected from the thousands of Seperatist systems.
Gry Sarth posted:nett40 posted:I have heard that the length of each TV-episode is going to be one-hour. This is good news, cause then you would only have to cut the existing movies of the PT into half, and then add them into the series. If you add a few deleted scenes and new takes with the heroes, characters, of the new show/series then you would only need to use 6 or 7 TV-episodes out of approx. 20 in the 1st Season on this era. The prime focus will be the emerging Rebellion against the Empire, maybe in a Flash Gordon kind of style BAD NEWS... IT SEEMS VADER IS OUT... I'M DEVASTATED Why are you suddenly taking four-months old rumors as gospel? Since the beginning of your rant you've been only too quick to disregard everything we've told you that had been said about the series in favour of your own vision, why stop now?
Gry Sarth posted:nett40 posted:I've said I wanted to see Huge battles between the Seperatist holdouts and the emerging rebels on one side and the Empire on the other... I simply don't buy the rolling over and play dead attitude, expected from the thousands of Seperatist systems. It's not a "rolling over and playing dead attitude", it's just "suffering a crushing defeat". In any war, one side eventually loses and is forced to accept defeat. There are several ways to win a war, one of them is to eliminate your enemies' means of waging it. When the Separatists lost all of their soldiers and war machines in one swoop, that's what happened. Any loyal sentients willing to keep on fighting wouldn't even have a tank or starfighter to use, they were all droids! They had no alternative but to concede defeat. The Seps are not religious fanatics or something like that to keep on fighting till the last man, prefering death to surrender, they just thought they'd get a better deal by breaking away from the Republic. It's not so unthinkable for them to accept being brought into the newly created Empire with very little resistance.
nett40 posted: My rant! Too quick to disregard everything I was told! Your own vision! Well, back to earth... If someone had given a better link than Wookiepedia or simple hear say, one might have listened. But when your being talked down to, then I for one have a hard time, accepting such criticism. However, A kind person told me were I could find actual NEWS about this topic. I went there, and to my surprise most of what I've been saying seems to be in the TV-show. HOWEVER, DARTH VADER ISN'T IN IT... But who knows what 2nd Season will bring, if ratings are low...
nett40 posted:Their Army wasn't lost it was turned of. What is turned of can be turned on again. A little like a computer. However, a dead Jedi or soldier cannot be re-activated.
nett40 posted:Btw. Armored Assault Tanks could be used by ordinary sentient beings and the CIS had loads of those.
nett40 posted:...I'm trying to explain physics to sheep...