Gry Sarth posted:Do you really think the Emperor is so stupid that he didn't confiscate the deactivated droids before anyone could find a way to hack into them? It's preposterous to imagine he would allow all the frustrated Separatists to remain "sitting on an arsenal of deadly toys". A pirate coming across a container of droids and using them to wreak some havoc is quite possible, but that's nothing like the "2nd Clone Wars" that you're suggesting Yes, they would still be able to use AATs, geonosian fighters and Mankvim-814 fighters. But they wouldn't be able to use Hailfire droids, Tank droids, Droid Gunships, Homing Spider droids, Tri-Droids, Dwarf Spider droids, Octuptarra Droids, Droid Bombers, Vulture droids, Hyena Bombers, Tri-Fighters, etc, etc... I still say it would be suicidal for them to stage a resistance at this point. And the Separatists are NOT suicidal, they are bureaucrats and merchants.
novajoe23 posted:Sorry, but I can't deal with the nonsense being thrown around by nett40 in this thread any longer. Gry Sarth, I leave it up to you to hold out against his wacky, unsubstantiated ideas.
Drewton posted:nett40 posted: This is good news, cause then you would only have to cut the existing movies of the PT into half, and then add them into the series. If you add a few deleted scenes and new takes with the heroes, characters, of the new show/series then you would only need to use 6 or 7 TV-episodes out of approx. 20 in the 1st Season on this era. Your idea's dead, son. Accept it.
nett40 posted: This is good news, cause then you would only have to cut the existing movies of the PT into half, and then add them into the series. If you add a few deleted scenes and new takes with the heroes, characters, of the new show/series then you would only need to use 6 or 7 TV-episodes out of approx. 20 in the 1st Season on this era.
nett40 posted:Do you really believe the Emperor could take over more than a thousand world at the beginning of the Dark Times, without a fight... Oh you'll properly say small skirmishes will occur, BUT NOT HUGE BATTLES CAUSE THATS BAD, somehow!
nett40 posted:If huge battles don't occur for 20 years and the Empire had no powerful enemies, why did they build up a huge fleet of Imperial Star Destroyers. To keep the Outer Rim under control you'll say. But why not simply use Venators for that job, the Empire had plenty of those around and you say there are no powerful enemies around. So why even design huge Super Star Destroyers?
nett40 posted:I wonder why you are so afraid that there actually might be big space- or land-battles, in the LAS. Why do you find it more realistic that pirates would be able to re-activate leftover CIS weaponry. But local system goverment on more than a thousand worlds, that used to be part of the CIS simply can't turn on their own army. Wouldn't it be rather unlikely if not at percentage of those world would have the technology to reactivate their own droids?
nett40 posted:A person named Dellso pops to mind, one of the leaders in the Seperatist Remnant, he apparantly managed to do so. I've heard the term Seperatist Remnant is part of your oh so holy EU media. So look it up and try explaining the Seperatist Remnant to me?
Wookiepedia posted:The Confederate Remnant, also known as the CIS, and the Separatist Remnants, was a large galactic government that was made up of the various disparate fragments of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, and later various other systems during the Confederate Resurgency. Many planets were conquered, added to, or joined the Confederate Remnant. Most notably Mustafar, Acherin, and New Plympto. Several surviving Confederacy of Independent officials, most notably Gizor Dellso, Toma, and Marath Vooro, secretly banded together after the Declaration of a New Order. In 11 BBY, the Galactic Empire discovered the Confederate Remnant presence in the Outer Rim Territories, and began to take steps to stop the Remnant while it was still in its infancy. In 19 BBY, Darth Vader, and the Galactic Empire perpetrated the Massacre on Mustafar, leaving the Confederacy of Independent Systems leaderless. That same year, using controls captured on Geonosis, the Galactic Empire deactivated the droid armies of the Separatists. The years following these catastrophic defeats were ones of despair, as the Separatists vainly attempted to resist the forces of the Galactic Empire. Many systems were conquered, and even more were forced to surrender, but some managed to survive, as the Galactic Empire was forced to focus all of its attention on the Rebel Alliance.
nett40 posted:They attempted to resist!
Gry Sarth posted:Boy, aren't you a little hypocrite? You go on and on about how you disregard the EU and tease anyone who dares bring up any bit of EU to prove a point. And yet the moment you find some EU info to back up you opinion you have no qualms about quoting it verbatim and exclaiming giddily: nett40 posted:They attempted to resist! Well, congratulations, you have taken your first step into a larger world and I welcome you into the fold of us who regard EU info as highly as what is seen in the films. Now with that new perspective I have no problems in admitting I had never heard about such a widespread and successful Separatist resistance. It really doesn't mesh much with what I previously knew about the defeat of the Separatists, but it's no biggie, I can accept that.
Wookiepedia posted: Confederate insurrection"I arrived on Mustafar looking for my leaders. Instead, I found power beyond my wildest dreams." —Gizor Dellso In 19 BBY, Gizor Dellso, after years of assisting the Rebel Alliance, traveled to Mustafar, the site of the bloodiest massacre during the Clone Wars. After extensively exploring the mining facility, Dellso came upon the bodies of his former leader, Poggle the Lesser, and the other leaders of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, all of whom were killed at the hands of Darth Vader. Not wanting to believe that the Clone Wars were over, and that the Galactic Empire had won, Dellso, who was the creator of the Separatist Droid Army signal beacon, used Mustafarian slaves to construct huge Confederacy warships. After completing his fleet, Dellso reactivated the droid forces on Mustafar from within the control room. These were the beginnings of the Confederate Remnant's vast droid armies, and fleets of warships. Now the leader of the most powerful of the Separatist Holdouts, Dellso began to plan his invasion of the Galactic Empire. Confederate Remnant grows: In the years following Dellso's arrival on Mustafar, the Galactic Empire began its extensive campaign to root out and destroy the remaining Separatist forces across the galaxy. With the Stormtrooper Corps in the forefront, the Galactic Empire quickly managed to destroy or force many Separatist strongholds to surrender. In 15 BBY, the most powerful of the Separatist Holdout leaders gathered on Mustafar to discuss a reformation of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. After lengthy debates, they decided to pit their forces together against the oppression of the Galactic Empire. Gizor Dellso, Toma, and Marath Vooro quickly emerged as the leaders of this new secessionist movement, and declared Mustafar their capital. Several months after the departure of the other Separatist leaders from Mustafar, Dellso and his entourage of Geonosian officers discovered, and then activated a hidden droid factory. Possessing significant amounts of war material, warships, and droids, he formed the Confederate Remnant Navy, and began to create additional soldiers due to needed extra defense. In 11 BBY, the Confederate Remnant made its presence known during the Battle of Serenno where it defeated Rebel Alliance and Imperial forces, as well as stealing large amounts of secret Imperial data. After this demonstration of power, Count Paak, a powerful and wealthy Serennese Count, pledged his extensive militia, and droid army to the Remnant's cause. Several months later and after browsing the memory banks of the Mustafar mining facilities extensively, Dellso also discovered old battle droid data, and began to manufacture large scale numbers of these experimental droids. After revealing themselves and inflicting a devastating defeat on the Empire, Darth Vader managed to track the Confederate Remnant to Mustafar, where he dispatched the 501st Legion to put down the Remnant. The Empire quickly managed to defeat the scarce orbital defenses, and established orbital positions. The engineers of the 501st fought their way through the droid forces, destroyed most of the experimnetal droid scehmatics, and planted an orbital beacon in the droid factory while engaging the Confederate Remnant Forces. Dellso and his officers desperately launched attacks against the Imperial forces. Dellso, along with his officers and the rest of the surviving garrison of Mustafar, barely managed to escape the conflict due to the arrival of the Separatist Core Fleet, but the factory was destroyed by an orbital bombardment, thus Mustafar was no longer a viable world to be the Confederate Remnant capital. Galactic Civil War: Following the attack on Mustafar by Imperial forces, Gizor Dellso and the other members of the Confederate Remnant government established their new capital on war-torn Serenno, and prepared to launch their planned "massive invasion" of the Galactic Empire. The massive advance by the Confederate Remnant military caught Emperor Palpatine and the Galactic Empire by surprise. The Confederate forces continued their rampage through the Outer Rim Territories and eventually, Supreme Commander Toma forced Admiral Ozzel of the Imperial Navy into a battle above and on the surface of Tatooine and destroyed the 14th Imperial Fleet. After the decisive victory over Tatooine, Supreme Commander Toma and the 1st Junker Army moved farther into the Mid-Rim and occupied Kashyyyk, the Wookie homeworld and a key Imperial communications center. Seeing the success of the Confederate Remnant and hoping to sieze some territory for themselves, the Rebel Alliance and Black Sun Pirates allied with the Confederate Remnant. Faced with this overwhelming opposition, the Galactic Empire was forced to sign a treaty that ceded large amounts of territory, war materials, and credits to the three allied governments. Though the war had only lasted two galactic standard years, large amounts of destruction and death were caused throughout the galaxy. Confederate Expansion: Following the end of the Galactic Civil War, the Confederate Remnant Supreme Commander conquered the area known as Hutt Space, adding to the economy and treasury of the Confederate Remnant. Also, the Corporate Sector decided to throw its lot in with the Confederate Remnant as well, devoting its enormous treasury, armed forces, and secret police to the Confederate Remnant's struggle against the Galactic Empire. Eventually, due to increased collaboration, the Confederate Remnant peacefully absorbed the Corporate Sector into its territory. Several planets in the Mid Rim were purchased from the Galactic Empire as well, further increasing the territory of the Remnant. The Confederate Remnant began the conquest and settlement of worlds in the Tingel Arm of the galaxy. However, this rapid expansion was slowed in 32 ABY, when the Hutts and their mercenary armies revolted in the Hutt Space. In reaction to the Hutt Uprising, the Confederate Remnant conducted a war of exterminatio against the alien races living in the Hutt Space, and surrounding Outer Rim Regions that had joined in their revolt against the Remnant. Massive firepower and large amounts of organic forces sent by the Corporate Alliance allowed the Confederate Remnant to acquire a huge victory against the Hutts, reinstituting them into the Remnant. Large scale exportation and deportation of the Hutts and their slave races soon began.
Gry Sarth posted:The pleasure of seeing you so passionately embrace the EU negates any bitterness I could have for having my stand contradicted by Dark Horse Comics. PS: I believe you do know how little GL cares for sticking to EU continuity, right? Now that you're an EU follower, brace yourself for the very probable disappointment of seeing your favourite comics contradicted by GL.
nett40 posted:I have no intention of embracing EU
Gry Sarth posted:nett40 posted:I have no intention of embracing EU Sorry, buddy, you already have. If you make two posts quoting huge section of EU in order to prove your point, whatever argument you could have about not caring what some remote book or video game says goes flying right out the window. I can respect someone who doesn't consider the EU to be part of the Star Wars universe, that's a fair and logical stance, but I will never take seriously some hypocrite who will quote from the EU only when it backs up his argument and say it's all rubbish when it doesn't suit him. PS: I couldn't find anything in that article about this 2nd Clone War you keep ranting about.
nett40 posted:And I will never take seriously some hypocrite who doesn't admit when he was wrong about something
Gry Sarth posted:I have no problems in admitting I had never heard about such a widespread and successful Separatist resistance. It really doesn't mesh much with what I previously knew about the defeat of the Separatists, but it's no biggie, I can accept that.
nett40 posted:You kept throwing pieces at info from EU at me, and you wouldn't take any of my answers based on common sence serious. So I had to end this going around in circles, by quoting your belowed expanded universe...
Darth_Neznarf posted:WOW, I haven't been online in a few days and MAN DID THIS THREAD GET ENTERTAINING!
Darth_Neznarf posted: Alderan: Leia says "NO, WE ARE A PEACEFULL PLANET, WE HAVE NO WEAPONS" I always took that is to say that the planet was against war and conflict, not that they had big guns but they were takin away from them??? I dont read the EU, thats not to say the stories told there are not good, I just dont believe that the events that someone else writes are what GL would say is true to the story.
Darth_Neznarf posted: Clone Wars "2nd" battle againts Alderan & angry systems: In the end of ROTS, representatives of all the systems are all cheering for Palpatine, no one seems to be angry. Only a handfull of senaters and polititions are upset by what has transpired. Everyone else is just happy that the war is over.