Gry Sarth posted:I've said that before, but I'll say it again. No one's saying that there should be no cool sci-fi battles in the series. I believe we all want and expect them. The only thing is that it is unreasonable to expect galaxy-wide conflict and huge long-drawn wars in a period where there is no real opposing force to stand against the might of the Empire.
TaradosGon posted:... the Separatists tried to bring the Hutts in against the Republic, etc. Other factions will almost certainly be brought in.
nett40 posted:Says who? Is this common knowledge? In what movie are the Dark Times portrayed as being peaceful by GL?
Gry Sarth posted:Maybe not common knowledge, just common sense. And whoever said anything about the Dark Times being peaceful? There was just no evidence of it being a period of open galactic warfare like the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War.
Gry Sarth posted:Actually, it was quite the other way around. Most of my argument was based on my own common sense, not some EU trivia. I didn't believe there had been a noteworthy Confederate Remnant movement because it didn't seem feasible with what we knew happened at the end of Ep3. My common sense argument ended up contradicted by the EU you brought up. It wasn't some EU I brought up that was contradicted by your common sense.
Gry Sarth posted:This Delso is a great example of what I've been saying. When the CIS fell, did he bravely resist the Imperial domination? No. He did nothing, he played dead because there was nothing he could do. He holed himself on Mustafar and waited, and waited. He waited 8 frigging years without poking his head out of his lava-filled hole. In that time he built himself a small droid army and a few ships (sources differ on this, he might have found the deactivated droids on Mustafar, but if that's the case then it took him 8 years to find a way to reactivate them). Eventually he must have thought maybe the Empire had grown complacent enough to be vulnerable, so he declared his Separatist Remnant, which was swiftly crushed by the Empire in a single battle in which the Empire had no need to employ more than a single Star Destroyer. And thus the glorious Separatist Remnant was born and killed in a matter of moments. If this is the kind of thing you mean when you talk about "2nd Clone War" and "huge battles", than I'm 100% fine with the idea of such things appearing in the LAS.
nett40 posted:TaradosGon posted:... the Separatists tried to bring the Hutts in against the Republic, etc. Other factions will almost certainly be brought in. Yes, and if or when that happens you'll have more conflicts than one going on. This would justify using the term "Clone Wars".
TaradosGon posted:nett40 posted:TaradosGon posted:... the Separatists tried to bring the Hutts in against the Republic, etc. Other factions will almost certainly be brought in. Yes, and if or when that happens you'll have more conflicts than one going on. This would justify using the term "Clone Wars". It's already "justified" as the "Clone Wars."
nett40 posted:Well, the Empire rules supreme in the Core we agree on that and the CIS has been seriously routed and its forces and supporters are in disarray. But they're are not out of the equation yet, as I see it! Palpatine opened Pandora's Box when he started a war to get into power, a box he'll find it impossible to close again. The Galactic Republic was a peaceful society for more than a Millenia, because the Jedi used their powers to settle disputes before they grow into actual conflicts. Without them around the Outer Rim will explode in border disputes and secessions... That's my idea of the Dark Times! Palpatine also tells Anakin in ROTS that they have to get to all the Jedi, or else they'll have an eternal civil war on their hands!
nett40 posted:You brought up EU, when I asked you to explain the Seperatist Remnant and Dellso (not part of any movie)! You could have said, it wasn't important or you wouldn't use EU, but you didn't...
nett40 posted:Your reference to EU was simply answered with an link to Wookiepedia, which contradicted your very version of events.
Gry Sarth posted:nett40 posted:Well, the Empire rules supreme in the Core we agree on that and the CIS has been seriously routed and its forces and supporters are in disarray. But they're are not out of the equation yet, as I see it! Palpatine opened Pandora's Box when he started a war to get into power, a box he'll find it impossible to close again. The Galactic Republic was a peaceful society for more than a Millenia, because the Jedi used their powers to settle disputes before they grow into actual conflicts. Without them around the Outer Rim will explode in border disputes and secessions... That's my idea of the Dark Times! Palpatine also tells Anakin in ROTS that they have to get to all the Jedi, or else they'll have an eternal civil war on their hands! Now you're speaking more sense than I ever heard from you. That's a very reasonable assessment, on which I might only disagree with you a bit in intensity. I wouldn't say the Outer Rim explodes in border disputes and such, but you're right that there's certainly unease about, and it often boils to the surface. As you said, had the Jedi survived then all these miscontents would have united under their leadership and it would be non-stop civil war. However the Jedi didn't survive, certainly not in any numbers to be able to be much of a nuisance. And so we don't get civil war until the Rebel Alliance manages to get its act together a couple of decades later.
nett40 posted:Found on your favourite source of info Wookipedia: http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Confederate_Remnant Wookiepedia posted:The Confederate Remnant, also known as the CIS, and the Separatist Remnants, was a large galactic government that was made up of the various disparate fragments of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, and later various other systems during the Confederate Resurgency. Many planets were conquered, added to, or joined the Confederate Remnant. Most notably Mustafar, Acherin, and New Plympto. Several surviving Confederacy of Independent officials, most notably Gizor Dellso, Toma, and Marath Vooro, secretly banded together after the Declaration of a New Order. In 11 BBY, the Galactic Empire discovered the Confederate Remnant presence in the Outer Rim Territories, and began to take steps to stop the Remnant while it was still in its infancy. In 19 BBY, Darth Vader, and the Galactic Empire perpetrated the Massacre on Mustafar, leaving the Confederacy of Independent Systems leaderless. That same year, using controls captured on Geonosis, the Galactic Empire deactivated the droid armies of the Separatists. The years following these catastrophic defeats were ones of despair, as the Separatists vainly attempted to resist the forces of the Galactic Empire. Many systems were conquered, and even more were forced to surrender, but some managed to survive, as the Galactic Empire was forced to focus all of its attention on the Rebel Alliance. However much, I hate to make use of EU! I think you need to see this! They attempted to resist! Many systems were conquered, and even more were forced to surrender, but some managed to survive, as the Galactic Empire was forced to focus all of its attention on the Rebel Alliance. An on going conflict after ROTS "The 2nd Clone War"
Wookiepedia posted:The Confederate Remnant, also known as the CIS, and the Separatist Remnants, was a large galactic government that was made up of the various disparate fragments of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, and later various other systems during the Confederate Resurgency. Many planets were conquered, added to, or joined the Confederate Remnant. Most notably Mustafar, Acherin, and New Plympto. Several surviving Confederacy of Independent officials, most notably Gizor Dellso, Toma, and Marath Vooro, secretly banded together after the Declaration of a New Order. In 11 BBY, the Galactic Empire discovered the Confederate Remnant presence in the Outer Rim Territories, and began to take steps to stop the Remnant while it was still in its infancy. In 19 BBY, Darth Vader, and the Galactic Empire perpetrated the Massacre on Mustafar, leaving the Confederacy of Independent Systems leaderless. That same year, using controls captured on Geonosis, the Galactic Empire deactivated the droid armies of the Separatists. The years following these catastrophic defeats were ones of despair, as the Separatists vainly attempted to resist the forces of the Galactic Empire. Many systems were conquered, and even more were forced to surrender, but some managed to survive, as the Galactic Empire was forced to focus all of its attention on the Rebel Alliance.
novajoe23 posted:WOWWWWWWW Okay i MUST re-enter this debate. THIS INFO IS NOT FROM WOOKIEEPEDIA!!!!! Look at the link that you posted it from!!! It's from the SW FANON website, where people MAKE UP stories that didn't happen, just FOR FUN. This "Confederate Resistance" or "Remnant" NEVER EXISTED. This info isn't from wookieepedia. It's from another wikia whose sole purpose is to create alternate stories to the ACTUAL CANON. In my opinion, your attempted use of that info to back up your argument agaist Gry Sarth invalidates it completely.
nett40 posted:In my opinion the only true canon in Star Wars, is what George Lucas MADE UP in his movies and series.