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whateveritis12 Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 11/5 8:42pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Except all of Anakin and Ahsoka's opponents have been droids. I don't think they have run into any sentient opposition outside of their first firefight in this episode. Even then the Geonosians were standing back behind their machine guns and didn't get up and personal with them. I'll still say that the greatest effect from this past episode was the fact that at the end of the episode everyone was just plain dirty and dusty. Though it was close when you see the actual scope of the Republics forces in space and then the number of drop ships. -----signature----- Seriously! A WOOKIE, with a LIGHTSABER. That's just overkill. Ben/Vestara bringing dark powers to the greatest force line Reading: Dark Tide: Onslaught, Legacy Tatooine arc Future: NJO books through Balance Point, Invasion, and Dark Lord Trilo
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GARTH_MAUL Title: LACWAC Manager & White Wizard Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/5 9:31pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Speaking of dusty, I remember being blown away watching the remastered Special Editions on DVD, with the Jawa robes being dirty. Never noticed that in the 8 billion times I watched my VHS copies....also pretty sure I thought Han was wearing a white shirt until I watched the DVD. At any rate, there is some EU room for having fun with the droids, what with "high" Kenobi fending off 132 or whatever battle droids when he inhales the spores on Cato Neimoidia. -----signature----- Dustin + Tina = 5 years of marriage Obama given First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/5 10:30pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I might be wrong, but Han's shirt color in ANH might just be from a color balance/mastering issue that plagued the DVD releases. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 11/6 4:24am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	TheMacUnleashed posted: Well, I can't compare it to LOTR because Tolkien's writing has yet to appeal to me, and I haven't seen the movies, but there were a few reasons why I wasn't too fond of it: -The writers seemed to take it way too lightly. I could understand using it as a coping mechanism, but it just didn't seem to be hinting in that way -it was like a joke, and nothing else. -I've said this before, and I'll say it again: the war is affecting Ahsoka far too lightly. Again, she was just joking and slicing droids, but Obi-Wan is shown to be becoming weary from the war? It's unrealistic. If it were anyone but Anakin, I would say that Jedi were supposed to have been above using such things as jokes, but, well... rules rarely apply to him. (They managed to make Ki-Adi's use of the joke fairly in-character, though. I couldn't imagine him keeping a "death count" otherwise, but just using it to lighten the moment, I could see.) Agreed, and per what FistoFan55 said, I think having a 14-year-old girl keeping a "kill" count is strange, and just out-of-character. Also, seeing Obi-Wan randomly sitting through the battle was bad. I realize he crash landed, however, so did the other teams. But, Obi-Wan has seen action before, although he's now realizing what war is? That should be Ahsoka. I hated the fact that both Anakin and Ahsoka were dodging huge amounts of blaster fire, turing two battles into a game, and keeping that "kill" count. Jedi should not care about their kills; it's very un-Jedi like. If the writers are doing this just to prove that the Jedi might have change through the war, then they've failed, because from what I saw it was just kiddy fun for both Anakin and Ahsoka. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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jasperjones Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 11/6 5:30am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Might that not be the point though? Obi-Wan, being wiser is seeing the way things are going - Anakin is flourishing in the war, as under his teachings is his apprentice, and that shouldn't be the Jedi way. -----signature----- Bark twice if you're in Milwaukee
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JediBendu Registered: Jan '99	Date Posted: 11/6 6:47am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	This is pulp action. Death is taken very lightly in the genre. Luke was depressed by Owen and Beru's death for all of about 15 minutes, same with Obi-Wan. INTERIOR: MILLENNIUM FALCON -- GUNPORTS. Another TIE fighter moves in on the pirateship and Luke, smiling, fires the laser cannon at it, scoring a spectacular direct hit. LUKE: Got him! I got him! Han turns and gives Luke a victory wave which Luke gleefully returns. HAN: Great kid! Don't get cocky. Han turns back to his laser cannon. Luke and Han were never particularly dehumanised by their murder of those Fighter Pilots. Sure, in TCW the heroes are Jedi and are generally held to a higher standard, but the genre does not require sober introspection after each enemy death - living or droid. Also, let's face it, it's the sort of games that the primary audience for TCW enjoys. -----signature----- The Skywalker passed on this knowledge to his kin - twelve children who would pass on the Force through their children. They eventually became known as the Jedi Bendu of the Ashla.
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Valairy_Scot Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/6 7:56am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Also, seeing Obi-Wan randomly sitting through the battle was bad. Perhaps - unusual - given the limited information we had, but then during the briefing with Ki-Adi-Mundi and Anakin, he remained sitting. Adding that to Obi-Wan's non-use of the Force to get out of the crashed ship, I can certainly extrapolate that he's more injured than mere scratches and a sore leg. Of course, the next episode may totally prove me wrong -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/25405090/p3/?52 Prolific Author thread: list & links there. Muse fueled by coffee. Often AWOL despite frequent sipping. Writes on inspiration, not a schedule. 2007-2008 the quality years
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fanboyskywalker Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 11/6 10:00am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Some thoughts: First act... amazing... literally could not take my eyes off the screen to finish eating my sandwich... and then it just turned into a visual delite that made me really want to see it in HD to appreciate the beauty of the animation. After the first act, though, it start to kind of drag into one big battle light on story... despite cutting back and forth between Obi-wan, Anakin and Ki-Adi-Mundi. I felt like it needed more of a distinct subplot. Hopefully next week has more meat to it and maybe it will play better as part of a larger invasion story. I did, however, appreciate the directing and the challenges they are taking with the shots. I'm also a fan of how the show is inspired by movies from the 40s and 50s like Hitchcock last week and Battle of the Bulge this week. The joking between Anakin and Ahsoka about the kills was kind of immature, I agree with posters on that, but keep in mind they are only like 15 and 20 years old... basically teenagers trying to make light of a very dark place. My only problem with it is it felt very been there, done that because I think Anakin and Obi-wan did a very similar thing during season one or perhaps it was the TCW movie... in any case it felt like wasting time to me... especially given the quality of the dialogue that posted from the pre-episode readthrough script posted here earlier this week. Speaking of which, that readthrough script was pretty awesome. Even though it wasn't really neccessary to the story, the scene between Anakin, Obi-wan, Padme and Ahsoka especially was great just to see the chemisty. it felt very classic SW banter to me and was important because it showed the strong connection between these characters. I also thought the little bit between Ahoksa and Padme went a long, long way. Have they even met before? I hope we get some scenes like that in the show itself. Reading it made Episode 3 even more tragic for me. And the whole bit about the Senate not believing the Jedi and what obi-wan saw in AOTC was very, very enlightening. I def. think that needs to be addressed in the show. The Grevious/Ventress bit was a little excessive, but could be perfect if they toned down a few of the repetitiveness with the insults flying back and forth. I would like to see more of this in the show... Grevious was amazing to read... too bad this wasn't the Grevious we saw in Episode 3... but that's the beauty of the show they can spend more time with these characters. I'm starting to get sick of seeing the same three Jedi in the Jedi council chamber... they need to get some more characters animated STAT! The Geonosians were fun to see as a threat versus just the droids. The fighters were really great the way they manuevered and twisted... don't remember seeing them do that in Episode 2 but it was perfect. There was a real sense of menace to this whole episode and I felt like everyone was in real jeapordy. It was great to see previous Clones show up and not seeing Bacara was fine because Cody wasn't with Obi-wan so maybe Bacara was off leading some troops else where in the battle. The flamethrower clones looked like snowtroopers, so that was a nice tie in to ESB. I was also kind of shocked at how brutal this episode was... kudos for stepping it up and showing that and not softening it when it is about war. Not that I would want that every week... -----signature----- Obama '08 Vergere is NOT a Sith. Krayt and Lumiya are lying.
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 11/6 10:30am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	GARTH_MAUL posted: Also, it's consistent with the pilots keeping track of their kills. Anakin's fighter from E-3 - Saw it down in Argentina at the SW exhibit - I was shocked to see the 'kill tags', but yes, it's very consistent with wartime - -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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XCell Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/6 11:53am Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	fanboyskywalker posted: I also thought the little bit between Ahoksa and Padme went a long, long way. Have they even met before? They had that time working together on the virus episode. As for the whole competitive kill thing (bearing in mind we don't know if they're talking living things they killed or just droids), I'd agree Obi-Wan would probably feel more grim about the war than Anakin, and especially Ahsoka. Those two relish being in on the action and just focusing on battle without second thoughts. To them it's an adventure and they're eager to save the day and win. They're not the most proper Jedi. Obi-Wan is a Council member, and doesn't seem to find their kill-counting inappropriate enough to seriously scold them, just sigh "I can't understand how you make it a game." Does this mean the war is changing the Jedi? If it is, do they know it's changing them? Or is this just the show's writers take on the Jedi? In the end, perhaps this smug kill-count attitude fits well with Palpatine's plans, though watching RotS I never got the notion he was trying to change the Jedi Order, just trick it and end it. With the kill-count.. OK, it is war, and Jedi kill when they see it's necessary. Mace didn't hesitate at all beheading Jango, Yoda didn't hesitate killing clones, Luke warned Jabba he'd be dead if he didn't free him and the others. A lot of this death and killing can make it confusing when you see the more spiritual and meditative side of the Jedi. You see Yoda training Luke in Empire with these teachings of non-violence, patience and faith, and then you see the Clone Wars and those kinds of beliefs are out the window. It's a different time, less about the Force, more about lightsabers. So I wonder why the emphasis on the non-violent aspects came about during the 'dark times'? When the Jedi are nearly gone and the Sith and the Empire rule. Did Obi-Wan and Yoda learn something from the war? Maybe I'm drawing too much out of this, but the Jedi's role in the war is interesting, and I just wonder if this kill-count game is a deliberate way the writers are showing the Jedi are effected by the war. Perhaps it's just showing Anakin and Ahsoka's smug personalities. Maybe it's suppose to be a sort of bonding thing for them and nothing else. Who knows. It can mean different things depending how you look at it.
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GARTH_MAUL Title: LACWAC Manager & White Wizard Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/6 12:21pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I would expect it's deliberate - I thought Filoni or someone saying that we'd definitely see how the war is affecting the Jedi. I'm super-pumped about that because it's one of the things I really wish was in the PT. With respect to the violence of Masters like Yoda and Mace Windu, I guess I'd argue that their actions are consistent with the Force (or the "Tao") of the moment and are done without either premeditation or post-kill comment. I think the issue isn't the Jedi being violent, it's Anakin and Ahsoka turning it into a game. -----signature----- Dustin + Tina = 5 years of marriage Obama given First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence
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XCell Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/6 12:39pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	GARTH_MAUL posted: I would expect it's deliberate - I thought Filoni or someone saying that we'd definitely see how the war is affecting the Jedi. I'm super-pumped about that because it's one of the things I really wish was in the PT. With respect to the violence of Masters like Yoda and Mace Windu, I guess I'd argue that their actions are consistent with the Force (or the "Tao") of the moment and are done without either premeditation or post-kill comment. I think the issue isn't the Jedi being violent, it's Anakin and Ahsoka turning it into a game. But it's hard to tell if it's deliberate, and if it's just about Anakin and Ahsoka as characters or the whole Jedi order. Obi-Wan is suppose to be a respectable Jedi on the Council, but he doesn't see their game as anything too serious or worth a reprimand. He's more troubled about how the war isn't ending (and I'm not saying he shouldn't be). But it's hard to tell if the kill-count game is meant to signify something or not. Either way, it's really not like it ruined the episode for me. I'd say it was pretty good overall.
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SpecialOpsUnit Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 11/6 2:11pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I can't wait until the episode tonight. I'm excited like it's a new episode or something that is how much I enjoyed it on Wednesday. -----signature----- Nothing to see here folks, move along.
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henchman24 Registered: Feb '08	Date Posted: 11/6 3:29pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 11/6 3:31pm (1 edits total) Edited By: henchman24
	SpecialOpsUnit posted: I can't wait until the episode tonight. I'm excited like it's a new episode or something that is how much I enjoyed it on Wednesday. I thought we would be getting a new episode on firday as well. In retrospect, I don't care for the advertisement acting like they are doing me a favor by showing it earlier in the week. "Its got so much action we have to show it earlier in the week, and then screw you over at a regularly scheduled time." About the kill count thing.... Ki-Adi Mundi: "There is no such thing as luck" Ki-Adi Mundi: "With a little luck we will meet up with Skywalker..." This^^^is what poor writing looks like. All the back and forth about kill counts is whatever. This episode showed many sides of that issue and did it quite well. Really impressive episode for me. My only real complaint is that it felt kind of forced by the end, a bit too much crammed into one show. -----signature----- time and relative dimension in space
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 11/6 4:06pm Subject: The Clone Wars: Episode 205: Landing At Point Rain Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	henchman24 posted: SpecialOpsUnit posted: I can't wait until the episode tonight. I'm excited like it's a new episode or something that is how much I enjoyed it on Wednesday. I thought we would be getting a new episode on firday as well. In retrospect, I don't care for the advertisement acting like they are doing me a favor by showing it earlier in the week. "Its got so much action we have to show it earlier in the week, and then screw you over at a regularly scheduled time." About the kill count thing.... Ki-Adi Mundi: "There is no such thing as luck" Ki-Adi Mundi: "With a little luck we will meet up with Skywalker..." This^^^is what poor writing looks like. All the back and forth about kill counts is whatever. This episode showed many sides of that issue and did it quite well. Really impressive episode for me. My only real complaint is that it felt kind of forced by the end, a bit too much crammed into one show. I 100% agree with you man. Also, the ending wasn't good. That scene in which they ran through the shield (which, may or may not be a continuity error. Possibly someone can refresh my memory on it even possible with running through a deflector/ray shield? Not a droid, but a sentient being like a human) and then running at the droids and Geonosians, while the camera is high up. It felt like a rushed scene from a video game, and the animators had to rush to end the episode. Not good at all. While they may have chosen a scene from an old movie, it just didn't fit with the episode, and made it seem like they had to yet again rush to finish the episode. Those wipes between the scenes at the end were a mess too. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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