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HanSolo29
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Let's be careful not to cross the line between discussing the films and the fans.
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Princess_Tina
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To me, Lucas is the epitome of a director who did not sell out, ever. Not to Hollywood, not to the Academy, not to anyone. I'd have an easier time if the accusation was made against Steven Spielberg, for whom finally winning an Oscar as Best Director really seemed to have meant quite a bit.
Lucas isn't like that. He doesn't care to work in Hollywood, he doesn't care for any Academy accolades, even DGA accolades. He makes the stuff he's interested in, and he can finance it himself. It's the very picture of the American dream come true. And if there is a certain tendency to make certain kinds of movies, who knows? Maybe he feels they're the kind of movies his own kids might like to watch.
If you've watched the Young Indiana Jones Adventures, you probably know it's about as far as TV can get from the usual commercial stuff. I mean, if Indy wasn't in them, many of them would be easy to confuse with a History Channel documentary.
I can't really begrudge anyone because they were lucky enough to live the American dream. He did it because the stories he told as a young filmmaker resonated with audiences worldwide like few films ever had.
In any event, I'm sure he realizes that when he's gone, the Star Wars and Indy franchises will pass on to his children, and I also can't hold it against him to have made a good effort to see to it that they were professionally managed. That they're commercially successful isn't his fault; he's just selling stuff that many people want to buy. It's not even like he was selling stuff that was bad for kids and teenagers.
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NZPoe
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This thread seems to be filled with people with greater telepathic and mind-reading abilities than Cate Blanchett's character could even dream of.
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G-FETT
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Well, it seems I'm the only one, but I'm confident we'll see a new (non Star Wars) movie directed by George Lucas by the end of 2010! 
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I found this article very interesting as it relates to this thread's discussion.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/movies/223827_lucas12.html
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Princess_Tina
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Noticed this in the L.A. Times:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-lucas17-2008jun17,0,4740608.story
Tuskegee Airmen to be subject of George Lucas film
The filmmaker hopes to start production by year's end or early 2009.
From the Associated Press
June 17, 2008
MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- The black airmen whose lives will be the basis of a George Lucas movie know the picture will highlight their record of successfully escorting thousands of U.S. bombers in World War II.
They also feel it should tell of the trials they encountered stateside, like seeing German prisoners of war being treated better and afforded rights that were withheld from black American citizens.
Now that "Red Tails" is in preproduction, some of the airmen say they are excited their story is coming to the big screen but torn over how much it should devote to each of their two historic fights -- against Adolf Hitler abroad and Jim Crow at home.
Lt. Col. Eldridge F. Williams, 91, wants the film to recount the discrimination they had to overcome in their own country. Williams, who served in the military from August 1941 to November 1963, said a white doctor's false diagnosis of an eye condition kept him from achieving his dream of being a pilot, though he became a navigator.
"I think the story that has not been told is stories like mine in which the home battle that was waged ... shall we say, helped open the door so that the unit could enter combat and demonstrate its capabilities and be successful," he said.
Col. Herbert Carter, who also was with the airmen in the '40s, said the racism the men encountered should definitely be mentioned but not dwelled upon in the Lucas film.
"So many want the movies to focus in that sense and that's bitter history that has been thoroughly emphasized and publicized," the 88-year-old said in an interview.
He said the real story is how they blew apart the notion that blacks could not fly planes in war.
Producer Rick McCallum said both elements are addressed in a script by John Ridley that "balances difficult and painful issues with what is, at its heart, the story of men with a dream to fly and serve their country."
Lucas hopes to begin shooting by year's end or early 2009, McCallum said. The movie's title refers to the color of their fighter planes' tails, which were distinctive and allowed U.S. bomber crews to know they were being escorted by the aggressive Tuskegee Airmen.
"It is a story of incredible adventure and enormous courage," said the producer, who's scouting locations for "Red Tails" in Prague, Czech Republic, and Italy. "I think the story will speak to anyone who has ever wanted to succeed at something others told them was impossible."
At first called the "Tuskegee Experiment," the first aviation cadet class began with 13 students at the Tuskegee Army Air Field, about 40 miles east of Montgomery, in July 1941. Black people weren't allowed to fly in the military at the time and the "experiment" was to see whether they could pilot airplanes and handle heavy machinery.
Over the next four years, the airmen went on more than 15,000 combat trips throughout Europe, the Mediterranean and North Africa.
Nearly 1,000 pilots were trained at the Tuskegee Army Air Field before its 1946 closing, after which the men from the all-black units were sent to an air base in Ohio. President Truman's 1948 order to desegregate the country's armed forces eventually led to a racially mixed military.
The men have been the subject of several documentaries and books. But a 1995 HBO movie "The Tuskegee Airmen," starring Laurence Fishburne, was the film that jump-started much of the attention the airmen have received in recent years, said Christine Biggers, a park ranger at the Tuskegee Airmen National Historic Site.
The HBO movie "was about 50 percent Hollywood, but it gave a good overview and got the word out. People all over the world saw it and it whetted their appetite to want to know more," Biggers said.
Lucas plans for the movie to be based on the historic record that brought the Tuskegee Airmen fame, drawn from their own accounts.
Carter was one of several airmen who were invited to Lucas' Skywalker Ranch a few years ago to record their oral histories, which will be used in developing the film.
Carter tells of the constant adjustment of being respected as a soldier on base, then having that dignity snatched away once off-base, where they were "just another Negro in Alabama in the eyes of the civilian population."
But he said the real story is how they overcame an environment that said "they didn't have the ability, dexterity, physiology and psychology to operate something as complicated as aircrafts or tanks."
The black airmen's response was "train me and let me demonstrate I can," Carter said. "We said the antidote to racism was excellence and performance and that is what we did."
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Vortigern99
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That sounds totally awesome and I can't wait to see it! Is Lucas directing??
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This movie will be good, and I can;t wait to see it since I am a history buff.
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Vortigern99
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Zaz in the Amphitheater reports:
The IMDB listing for "Red Tails" lists only a writer, no director.
The IMDB listing for Lucas does not show him as having an in production director's credit.
He is listed as the executive producer.
Verdict: He's not decided.
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Princess_Tina
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I don't think imdb.com is always going to have the most up-to-date information, especially about movies that are in preproduction or still in development.
The AP story does make it sound like it's going to be directed by Lucas and produced by McCallum.
I'm very excited because I think Lucas will now have the chance to do some of the stuff he tried to do with the Young Indiana Jones Adventures, except this time without any obviously fictional elements.
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Vortigern99
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I agree it's very exciting! I really hope you're right, Tina, and that Lucas is in fact directing, but I find it bewilderin' and confoosin' that the LA Times article does not explicity name Lucas as the director. It kinda dances around the issue, and that concerns me.
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Vortigern99 posted:
I agree it's very exciting! I really hope you're right, Tina, and that Lucas is in fact directing, but I find it bewilderin' and confoosin' that the LA Times article does not explicity name Lucas as the director. It kinda dances around the issue, and that concerns me.
Strictly speaking, it is not an L.A. Times article. It's just an AP wire story that the L.A. Times put on its website (and may have printed in that days' edition).
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I think people need to realize that their idea of what Star Wars "should have been" is not actually what Lucas "originally intended". He didn't sell out his own ideas to be more commercial. He stuck to his artistic guns. He had people telling him his ideas were stupid every step of the way. But somehow he tricked the general public into making each one of his movies a stellar success at the box office.
I have to agree with this. The thing about Lucas is that even with past successes like STAR WARS and INDIANA JONES, he doesn't simply rehash what was successful in the past (except with two movies - ROTJ and LAST CRUSADE). Instead, he puts a new spin on it or does something completely different. Only, many fans tend to get upset when he doesn't rehash his old succeses and accuse him of selling out. I sometimes get the feeling that they don't want something new, but just a repeat of the old.
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Princess_Tina
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DRush76 posted:
I have to agree with this. The thing about Lucas is that even with past successes like STAR WARS and INDIANA JONES, he doesn't simply rehash what was successful in the past (except with two movies - ROTJ and LAST CRUSADE). Instead, he puts a new spin on it or does something completely different. Only, many fans tend to get upset when he doesn't rehash his old succeses and accuse him of selling out. I sometimes get the feeling that they don't want something new, but just a repeat of the old.
Well, anytime you create a hugely popular franchise like SW or Indy, you run into the problem of people wanting to see more movies with those characters, but their expectations can be very hard to please -- obviously not just in the case of filmmakers like Lucas, Spielberg, Zemeckis, etc.
In regards to ROTJ and Last Crusade, I'd argue that the similarities to their predecessors are mostly superficial, perhaps in a way that might even be intended to make it easier to compare and contrast the sequel with the original. Both of these sequels deal with sorting out a father/son relationship, which seems to be a fairly big deal for Lucas - just like bringing a family together again seems like a pretty big and recurring theme for Spielberg's movies.
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I can't wait. I mean if there's one thing Lucas is known for, it's his ability to create movies that are soley driven by deep, meaningful, character interactions and not special effects....
hehehe I kiiiiid I kiiiiid. Don't shoot me, just couldn't resist making that comment.
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