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Princess_Tina
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7/7 12:27pm
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Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
I don't know, none of these things were a problem for me. I just saw it again on Saturday and it was as fun as the previous 6 times I saw it.
I tend to feel the same way. And I actually really really liked that they made an obvious reference to Last Crusade at the end of KOTCS, its one of the best things in the movie because it kinda brings Indy's character full-circle, which is what a lot of people who first saw the Indiana movies as teenagers in the 80's are also going through, IRL: we were teenagers then, and a lot of us have kids now -- and some of these kids are teenagers themselves. So it's really just a brilliant way to comment on something very real that many people have already gone through, and others will eventually.
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Gobi-1
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On my first viewing I was slightly disappointed with the score but after listening to the soundtrack and seeing the film three more times I've grown to appreciate it more. While a lot of the score is what I would call "mood music" that sets a scene but doesn't really have a theme per say, there were three major themes that are terrific.
Call of the Crystal
Irina's Theme
The Adventures of Mutt
I also love the Peruvian cue after the travel montage. It's "Journey To Akator" on the soundtrack.
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Jango10
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I'm indifferent about the music. I did notice the old Indy music being used, and I never really did notice new music that jumped out at me, but it really didn't matter. I was seeing Indiana Jones in a theater!
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Honestly the only thing I didn't care for was the Tarzan scene.
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I'm not sure I liked the cameo by Ron Jeremy at the beginning of the movie. I think he really overplayed it, but maybe Spielberg directed him to act that way. Regardless, it was too much.
I also didn't think that the scene where Indy was breakdancing was very appropriate. It really took me out of the movie. I know there have been anachronisms in Indy movies in the past (Witness the Hindenburg disaster occuring a year late) but Spielberg and company should really have done their research here.
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Jedi_Reject_Jesse
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In retrospect, I didn't think the Russians made very good bad guys. Jones mentions "all those years spying on the Reds" but I seem to remember a Young Indy episode where he befriends a group of Bolshevik revolutionaries. I actually thought he was pretty open minded but he seems to have taken a staunch anti-communist, pro-USA stance that I now find distasteful.
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he seems to have taken a staunch anti-communist, pro-USA stance that I now find distasteful.
Oh really? Distasteful? And how do you think a PRO COMMUNIST, ANTI-USA stance had gone down with American audiences? That would have sold a lot of tickets, right? 
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Jedi_Reject_Jesse
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Eh, the previous films and the young indy chronicles established him as a man of the world who is open minded, speaks dozens of languages, and is familiar with probably hundreds of cultures and customs. I hated to see him buy into the whole red scare thing. It makes him seem shallow.
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Communism in general is not the same thing as Stalinism. With, you know... it's killing of millions. I don't really have a problem with him being against that (or Nazis?) And he was always pro-US. But the US in this film was portrayed in a mixed way. Just wish they'd kept more with the MacCarthyism. I think that would have elevated the plot to a more sophisticated level. It was fun but it wasn't as thoughtful as Raiders or Crusade, IMHO.
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Gobi-1
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Yeah the FBI suspecting Indy as a communist was set up beautifully but it doesn't have a payoff. If they make an Indy I'd like to see the FBI subplot brought back into the mix with Agent Smith and Agent Taylor harassing Indy at every turn. I'd like to see General Ross return as well.
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Gobi-1 posted:
Yeah the FBI suspecting Indy as a communist was set up beautifully but it doesn't have a payoff. If they make an Indy I'd like to see the FBI subplot brought back into the mix with Agent Smith and Agent Taylor harassing Indy at every turn. I'd like to see General Ross return as well.
yep, that little bit makes no sense without an Indy prequel to introduce the characters. General Ross at the least.....
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The McCarthyist suspicion of Jones serves at least three purposes in the film: One, to further establish the setting of the times; two, to put pressure on Jones ("raising the stakes" or "tightening the screws" in cinematic parlance); and three, to create a scenario in which Jones must leave town, which puts him into contact with Mutt. Also, the FBI's skepticism of Jones is interesting in and of itself, and allows the audience to learn what he's been up to the last 20 years.
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My main complaint was the return of Marion and the resolution of her and Indy's relationship. It just felt forced and unnecessary. I prefer the serial aspect of Indiana Jones and the fact that he has a sort of "Bond girl" du jour in each film. Plus, as the movie went along and they kept picking up new (old) characters like Marion, by the end it was a tiresome ensemble cast marching through the jungle to the temple of the crystal skull.
And as a general complaint, the movie seemed to look BACK so damned much. All of the references to dead Brody and Henry Jones Sr, the return of Marion, the return to the Govt Warehouse...c'mon, already!
I wasn't too bothered by the alien subplot of the film. It didn't strike me as being too different in tone from the other-worldly artifacts of the prior films. The CGI monkeys were pretty stupid, though.
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Vortigern99 posted:
The McCarthyist suspicion of Jones serves at least three purposes in the film: One, to further establish the setting of the times; two, to put pressure on Jones ("raising the stakes" or "tightening the screws" in cinematic parlance); and three, to create a scenario in which Jones must leave town, which puts him into contact with Mutt. Also, the FBI's skepticism of Jones is interesting in and of itself, and allows the audience to learn what he's been up to the last 20 years.
Four: Creates a huge gaping plot hole when Indy not only is allowed to return, but is even PROMOTED at the college, even though any evidence of his adventures that he could have taken back home was sucked into the "space between spaces". The best he could do is have Marion and Ox go in and say, "Russians captured us and Indy rescued us," but would that really be enough to clear up all the suspicion?
 at Lucas and his dangling plot lines. It's Sifo-Dyas all over again.
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Gobi-1
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
Vortigern99 posted:
The McCarthyist suspicion of Jones serves at least three purposes in the film: One, to further establish the setting of the times; two, to put pressure on Jones ("raising the stakes" or "tightening the screws" in cinematic parlance); and three, to create a scenario in which Jones must leave town, which puts him into contact with Mutt. Also, the FBI's skepticism of Jones is interesting in and of itself, and allows the audience to learn what he's been up to the last 20 years.
Four: Creates a huge gaping plot hole when Indy not only is allowed to return, but is even PROMOTED at the college, even though any evidence of his adventures that he could have taken back home was sucked into the "space between spaces". The best he could do is have Marion and Ox go in and say, "Russians captured us and Indy rescued us," but would that really be enough to clear up all the suspicion?
at Lucas and his dangling plot lines. It's Sifo-Dyas all over again.
This is what I'm getting at. There's no resolution to this plot line. The film glosses over the whole thing when in reality Indy would still be a subject of interest to the FBI. That's why I think they should bring back this plot point for a 5th film.
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