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Vortigern99
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Date Posted:
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RE: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Controversy
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Okay, I'll concede that he's only under for 15-20 minutes, and that his drugged state is only part of the plot, most of which I do think is imaginative and fun. The whole point of that subplot is to disturb the audience and make them miss Jones, and in that the movie is certainly successful. I'm probably being far too nitpicky with ToD, as there are definitely some bright spots, and the story is very engaging -- even if Willie is annoying and Short Round seems an unlikely partner.
EDIT: BTW, I've seen ToD so many times -- in its original run, on cable and on video -- that I have much of it memorized. The last time I watched it was about three years ago; at the end of it my girlfriend-now-wife and I looked at each other, rolled our eyes, and agreed it was dumb but fun.
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ezekiel22x
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Date Posted:
7/5 10:44am
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Vortigern99 posted:
Willie Scott is a major drag on my enjoyment of this movie; for me she is to ToD what for many people JJ Binks is to TPM. I have a hard time getting past her constant whining, lack of courage and selfish atttitude, and I wonder what the otherwise admirable Jones would see in her beyond a convenient boink.
haha, we pretty much have the exact opposite opinion of what style works best for Indy. Your description of Willie pretty much sums up why she's my favorite Indy girl. I think the whole damsel showgirl thing perfectly complements all the pulp and pomp that made Temple my favorite installment. Different strokes, I suppose. My biggest eye-rolling moment has always been the "kiss and make it feel better" scene from Raiders.
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If it had been released first then I think it would have made money but it wouldn't been so iconic.
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Vortigern99
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ezekiel22x posted:
haha, we pretty much have the exact opposite opinion of what style works best for Indy. Your description of Willie pretty much sums up why she's my favorite Indy girl. I think the whole damsel showgirl thing perfectly complements all the pulp and pomp that made Temple my favorite installment. Different strokes, I suppose. My biggest eye-rolling moment has always been the "kiss and make it feel better" scene from Raiders.
In your defense, I remember the audience response toward Willie Scott being extremely favorable; the laughter erupting around me in the theaters in 1984 was loud and sincere, even as I stewed in annoyance that Marion -- a plucky chick with verve and courage to spare -- was nowhere to be found.
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Date Posted:
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I remember seeing INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM in theaters way back when.
I really enjoy this movie. It's incredible, amazing fun. It definitely pushes plausibility and reality, but all in good fun and it works.
It definitely makes a strong case for Indiana Jones being the top action hero. And Harrison Ford, regardless of which movie in the series, is absolutely Indiana Jones.
I enjoy Willie Scott and Shortround and the humor and affection they bring. The villians are well realized. The story is compelling and fun and the action is amazing. The music/soundtrack is, once again, incredible and memorable.
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In your defense, I remember the audience response toward Willie Scott being extremely favorable; the laughter erupting around me in the theaters in 1984 was loud and sincere, even as I stewed in annoyance that Marion -- a plucky chick with verve and courage to spare -- was nowhere to be found.
There's definitely a difference between Marion and Willie and I enjoy them both.
But, Indy defintely married the right one. 
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Princess_Tina
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SkottASkywalker posted:
But, Indy defintely married the right one.
Well said! And I think even Spielberg might agree! 
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HanSolo29
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Oh boy, you guys had to bring up Willie. 
It's funny you should describe her as being obnoxious and over the top. It is for that very reason that my friend and I have laughed at her and used her as the object of jokes when we were younger. No one could forget her scream and that's the very thing we used to make fun of. Those were good times.
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Gobi-1
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I've never had a problem with Willie or Jar Jar Binks for that matter. I've always accepted them as the comic relief they are. One of the best things about TOD is Indy's reactions to Willie's behavior.
"That's why they call it the jungle, sweetheart."
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DRush76
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I didn't even like TEMPLE OF DOOM when I first saw. When I saw it for the second time, it became one of my all time favorite films ever. And it is still my favorite Indiana Jones film. It's not perfect. But then neither were RAIDERS, LAST CRUSADE and CRYSTAL SKULLS. But as far as scripts go, I think it had the strongest story. Well, it had the best ending in compare to the other three films.
I know that a lot of people don't like Willie Scott. I adore her. She is far from perfect and that is what I find appealing about her. She's different from the usual leading lady. A real, die-in-the-wool golddigger. Both Spielberg and Capshaw are claiming that Willie was a woman who led a privledged life, which explained her dislike of being in the middle of an adventure. I think that's a lot of crap. Willie was a woman who loved the idea of living a privledged life, hence her determination to find a rich husband or a successful career. But Willie is a survivor of the toughest kind.
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Vortigern99
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If Willie is a "survivor of the toughest kind", why is she so concerned about breaking a nail? Why does she whine incessantly and leap on Jones' back when she's senselessly scared? Those are not the actions of a "survivor of the toughest kind".
I'm going to go with Spielberg and Capshaw's take on her backstory.
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Princess_Tina
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Date Posted:
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Gobi-1 posted:
I've never had a problem with Willie or Jar Jar Binks for that matter. I've always accepted them as the comic relief they are. One of the best things about TOD is Indy's reactions to Willie's behavior.
"That's why they call it the jungle, sweetheart."
I think that's the best way to look at it, as well. And like you I also don't have a problem with Willie or Jar Jar, I still find them rather endearing in spite of (or maybe because of) their little character flaws.
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DRush76
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Princess_Tina posted:
Gobi-1 posted:
I've never had a problem with Willie or Jar Jar Binks for that matter. I've always accepted them as the comic relief they are. One of the best things about TOD is Indy's reactions to Willie's behavior.
"That's why they call it the jungle, sweetheart."
I think that's the best way to look at it, as well. And like you I also don't have a problem with Willie or Jar Jar, I still find them rather endearing in spite of (or maybe because of) their little character flaws.
All of these characters in both sagas have embarrassing flaws.
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If Willie is a "survivor of the toughest kind", why is she so concerned about breaking a nail? Why does she whine incessantly and leap on Jones' back when she's senselessly scared? Those are not the actions of a "survivor of the toughest kind".
What exactly is your idea of being a survivor? Acting like a tomboy or a man? This is a woman who was born and raised in poverty on a farm in Missouri. A woman who would more or less do anything to make life better for her or make a life that she wants. She can complain about cracking a nail until the cows come home. In my view, Willie Scott is a survivor.
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Vortigern99
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How about behaving courageously? How about meeting danger with a brave heart, and conflict with a stiff upper lip? How about telling one's captors, for example, "Don't you touch me!" instead of screeching like a simpering child? This would not be "manly" or "tomboy" behavior, but rather that of a strong, willful woman -- which Marion is, and Willie is not.
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DRush76 posted:
All of these characters in both sagas have embarrassing flaws.
You think they're embarrassing? I don't see them that way at all.
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