Author Topic: Official Thread: Original edits on DVD petition (now discussing originaltrilogy.com)
jasperjones  1676 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 6:08am Subject: Official Thread: Original edits on DVD petition (now discussing originaltrilogy.com) - Date Edited: 2/18/04 4:54pm (4 edits total) Edited By: Dark Lady Mara
Ok guys, we know that GL is not going to release the original versions on DVD. I propose that we see how much demand for these to be released. I suspect that people would gladly pay extra for a box set which incuded the original versions( re-mastered of course just missing the horrendous additions such as Greedo shooting first ). Spielberg did it with ET. It would be easy to generate support for this as well. Even if it didn't change anything those of us who feel this way will have made a point. I'm pretty sure that the petition for TPM to be released on DVD speeded that one up so it's got to be worth a shot. I have no idea how to set one up however so I guess at the moment we'll have to sign up here.


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eclipseSD  5497 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 6:25am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
Binary_Sunset did something like this. It was a letter writing campaign that eventually formed a petition I believe.

 

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Date Posted: 2/7/03 6:33am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
Im all in.

 

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Miles Lodson  761 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 6:33am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
I'm out.

 

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Date Posted: 2/7/03 6:37am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
So why would you post then?

 

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jasperjones  1676 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 6:42am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition - Date Edited: 2/7/03 6:50am (1 edits total) Edited By: jasperjones
Yeah, this thread isn't really for those who love the SE's and are happy with only them. Not that I don't respect your view but this shouldn't degenerate into a debat about the merits of either versions. There are plenty of threads already for that. Binary's started the letter campaign. I want something that goes hand in hand with that. I'm sure most of the sw websites would back a petition. Once that happens it won't be difficult to get the media to pick up on it.

Well, two supporters so far. GL must be shaking in his boots.

 

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batvader  547 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 8:45am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition - Date Edited: 2/7/03 8:49am (1 edits total) Edited By: batvader
I am happy with the SE editions and interested in the final ''Archival'' editions, but the originals are a must for any DVD collection.

I am in.

EDIT: But a petition must be organized I think, with lots of people to sign it. I think most 12year olds sadly couldn't care less (those that became fans with the SEs or the PT), because they don't care for the special value of an original classic, no matter how less impressive (or even flawed - monkey emperor in TESB) it is.

 

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SLR  8689 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 9:01am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
When did Lucas say he would never release original versions of the OT on DVD? Are you all not just jumping to conclusions? Lucas is a businessman, and will see the value in releasing both versions of the OT as Spielberg did w/ ET.

 

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Date Posted: 2/7/03 9:03am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition - Date Edited: 2/7/03 9:06am (1 edits total) Edited By: YodaJeff
"When did Lucas say he would never release original versions of the OT on DVD? Are you all not just jumping to conclusions?"

Lucas said this in a recent issue of Star Wars Insider. Let me see if I can dig up the quote...

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Here it is:
In the meantime, fans are hoping that Lucas will get around to putting out a comprehensive DVD set of all the Star Wars episodes that matches the high quality of The Phantom Menace DVD. But the filmmaker has bad news for film buffs who hope that the classic trilogy DVDs will feature both the Special Edition versions and the original theatrical versions of the movies.

Asked if there’s a possibility of including the original versions as alternate tracks, to show the evolution of the films, showcase the state-of-the-art era, and preserve film history, Lucas said simply, "I don’t think so. I think of the film as The Special Edition. I don’t think of it as the early version, any more than I would put early rough cuts on. I could put four or five rough cuts onto the thing and say, ‘This is how it advanced.’ I consider The Special Edition as being the final version at this point. I don’t even worry about the other ones, because it went through a lot of incarnations to get to the final stage."

Source: Star Wars Insider #60 - Page 61

 

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batvader  547 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 9:29am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
So, he's like saying:

''Go ahead, buy Mandarin bootleg DVDs of the original films!''

And ''this is your final chance to get the originals on video tape'' isn't an argument. Video tapes wear out with the passing of time.

And who can bother with a Laserdisc?(expensive, big, no room for an extra player in the house etc.)

 

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Master Salty  15000 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 9:34am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
No...he's saying that you'll have to settle for the SE on DVD unless you record the original releases to your computer, buy the LD's or get lucky finding somebody that has sealed copies of the original releases on VCR tapes.

 

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Vonn  1842 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 10:00am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
I just don't believe this!!!

We hear so much about it is a primal sin to censor an artist's work. We hear so many people complain about the digital figures in Eyes Wide Shut. We hear so many people proclaiming that they will never watch the original theatrical version (the one that won the Oscar for visual effects) instead opting for extended version with the different ending. We hear so many people proclaiming Terry Gilliam's original version of Brazil is superior to the studio tampered one (even though the Studio is the one that went to oscars).

But, in Star Wars case, the version that was released to theaters was not what George wanted the final product to be. Harry Knowles claims that the originals should be preserved because they were the ones that went to the awards, because the originals are what started the fanaticism. Well, George didn't want to change the world when he made his films that took place a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. He just wanted to make a movie. And now, he wants the movies to fit HIS vision.

To demand that George ignore his right to produce only what he sees as the definitive version of his work amounts to Fan enforced CENSORSHIP. You are no different than the studios that forced Terry Gilliam to cut Brazil or wanted Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut altered.

 

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Master Salty  15000 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 10:12am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
I'm interested in the original theatrical releases being preserved in a format that won't degredate for film history reasons and because it's a part of Star Wars that I want to have.

 

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Master_Akwat_Kbrana  201 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 10:24am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
I'm in. My VHS copy of ROTJ has finally given out. I'd be most pelased to have the OT on DVDs.

"I just don't believe this!!!"

That's nice!!! We care!!!

"We hear so much about it is a primal sin to censor an artist's work."

Especially when the artist himself censors his work, as GL did with the Special Editions.

"But, in Star Wars case, the version that was released to theaters was not what George wanted the final product to be."

Maybe. But, more likely, that's just a cheap excuse for George to use "top of the line" technology to redo the movies that made him rich, and make several billion MORE without having to come up with an original plotline.

"Well, George didn't want to change the world when he made his films that took place a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. He just wanted to make a movie."

No, George just wanted to be a billionaire.

"To demand that George ignore his right to produce only what he sees as the definitive version of his work amounts to Fan enforced CENSORSHIP."

Maybe if he hadn't released the originals already, but guess what, he did. Live with it. And they're better than the special editions. No horrendous CGI, no "Jedi Rocks" song, no Rontos, no 'Greedo shoots first'. "Ooh, but the video and sound quality of the special editions are better!" I don't care. The picture quality might be, but the latex Jabba puppet made in the seventies was better looking than the "state of the art" CGI that the Jabba in 1997 was.

"And now, he wants the movies to fit HIS vision."

But I, and many other fans, want to see the movies we fell in love with in the seventies. Does the personal preference of George Lucas dictate what his fans get? Should it? Shouldn't fans have a voice? Without the fans, Star Wars wouldn't be what it is today. And if it weren't for the original versions, I guarantee the fans wouldn't be nearly as die hard as they are now. If Star Wars hadn't been released until 1997, and the first versions we knew were the "special editions", there is no way George would be nearly as successful as he is today. We would've yawned, and said "I wonder when Lord of the Rings is coming out."

"You are no different than the studios that forced Terry Gilliam to cut Brazil or wanted Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut altered."

No, George is the one who wanted Star Wars altered, we just want the unsencored versions.

 

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batvader  547 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/03 10:34am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition - Date Edited: 2/7/03 10:36am (1 edits total) Edited By: batvader
The films in their original form were what brought him his riches, and for many years the originals were what Star Wars was about.

I am NOT against any kind of SE and AE (in fact I will most certainly watch the specials more often), but the old ones are essentials for a DVD collection because of their historic value.

They could release different DVDs than the ''hexalogy box set'', with different artwork, and BASIC extra stuff (just trailers and text notes). It could be a separate self-contained DVD trilogy than the ''real'' 6-episode version, and marketed differently.

 

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Date Posted: 2/7/03 11:12am Subject: RE: Original edits on DVD petition
I cant belive George doesnt see the how much money he would make if he released the O-OT DVD's.The sales of the O-OT and UE combined would be humoungous.

 

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