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Aprentize
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unfortunately, and strangly enough, those kinds of songs are basically illegal in sweden. they are classified as rasist songs.
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Joey7F
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Hehe, that is wrong. See why it important to have a "Bill of Rights"? 
There is nothing wrong with being proud of what your country has accomplished.
Though when I hear them say they are proud to be American, I want to say "No, you are lucky to be an American" We are American/Norwegian/Swedish/Finnish/Danish/Icelandic etc because of where we were born. I could have been born in Somalia. I was very lucky (as are you all) to be born where I was.
I should be more thankful than I am. I take it for granted that I will eat tonight, have a bed, and the opportunity to prosper. The 1st world countries are so very fortunate.
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amen.
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Swedish_Sith
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Yeah, I agree! To be born in a "strong" country is like being "blessed" from the first day in your life. I don´t think we all realize how lucky we are until something bad happens. (I´m not gonna say September 11:th, cause I know you´re already thinkin' about it)
Most of the "rich" countries in the world is willing to help the not-so-rich ones, like Somalia, but how much should we help, and how are we going to do it? Perhaps I´m going off topic here, but I think it´s worth talking about. Even though we want to help other countries, other people, we must still contain some of our integrity, or else our own country will shake in it´s very foundations.
Here in Sweden, we help a lot more then some people think. Sweden has become like one of the "safe havens" for people trying to escape war, and besides that, we send a lot of money, crew and technology to representatives in the troubled countries. (SIDA someone?)
The US helps a lot too, but not completely in the same way. Sure, you guys send a lot of money, crew and technology too, but you also aid the troubled countries with military powers. You´ve actually liberated entire countries due to your actions, but the outcome is not always that good. I´m not gonna start naggin' about examples, since I think you´re all aware of 'em.
So here is my question, the reason that I started this discussion: How should we help? Should we focus in aiding the countries with money, crew, technology and educationary equipment, or should we aid them with military powers? Is it good to help a country too much, or will that result in the simple fact that they are not independent, that they actually NEED us to survive?
(and once again, sorry for going off-topic)
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Joey7F
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>>Here in Sweden, we help a lot more then >>some people think.
The reason why a lot of people in the US think that is because they mix you up with Switzerland.
Of the people that know where Sweden and Switzerland are on a map that still share that viewpoint, it is usually due to Sweden not fighting the Nazis during WWII.
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Swedish_Jedi
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we helped in the end of the war!! The white busses
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Swedish_Sith
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Joey, I didn´t refer to USA, and I´m sorry if I made you think that.
Yeah, what you say about Sweden and WWII is correct, from a certain point of view. Sweden didn´t fight the Nazis with military actions, but we didn´t help them either, at least not in the long run. What we did, and what most people know about, was letting them use the swedish railroads to transport military equipment and stuff like that. The Swedish Army didn´t match the invading German forces. In fact, we were outnumbered. It´s really stupid to go down in "a moment of glory" without accomplishing anything important, and Sweden certainly did accomplish a couple of important things in WWII...
However, we didn´t let the Nazis "use" our country. Pretty soon, we rebuilt our railroads so that the tracks were wider apart, meaning that the Nazis couldn´t use them anymore. And we also established secret/hidden airbases for the british airforce to use to launch attacks against the Axis.
Besides, Sweden was the first country in the WORLD to help the Jewish people. In 1942 Raul Wallenberg went to the troubled areas and offered Swedish passports to as many Juwish captives as possible. (With the authorization of the Swedish Government) He also bought houses were they could be kept safe, and that became "Swedish Territory". They became "Swedes".
Wallenberg also managed to infiltrate the Nazis, and saved a lot of innocent Juwish people from being killed in a planned massacre in Budapest.
By doing all this (and probably more), Raul Wallenberg saved over 100.000 people from the Nazi deathcamps. He was declared "Citizen of Honor" in USA 1981. The same thing happened in Canada in 1985 and in Israel 1986. In Budapest they raised a statue of him to honor his memory and they named a street after him in New York. In many countries around the world he is considered the greatest hero in WWII.
We all know that England broke "Enigma", the German encryptioning code that were used by the Nazi Army. What is almost unknown is that Sweden cracked their other encryption-code, the one that they used to coordinate transports and stuff like that. By doing this the allied forces could forsee where transports and trains containing Juwish captives would turn up, giving them a chance to interrupt the steady flow to the deathcamps. They could also destroy trains containing military equipment.
I´m not trying to glorify anything here, I´m not a patriot. What I´m trying to do is to point out that Sweden didn´t "aid" the Nazis and that we certainly fought them. There are more than one way to deal with tyranny. Sometimes, comparing military muscles isn´t the best way to accomplish anything.
That´s all folks! Thanx for listening.
( and once again, I appologize for going off-topic  )
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White buses or no white buses, Sweden did some horrible things during WW2. There was a popular joke at that time: "Norway surrendered to Germany after a month, Denmark after a week and Sweden over a phone call." Some things that we did are inexcusable. The Swedish "neutrality" was no more than cowardice; "staying out of the war" meant more or less cooperating and aiding Germany to keep them from invading our country. Well, why waste money and lives invading a country if they help you for free? I don’t want to go into that debate right now, this isn’t the thread for it, but let’s just say that I find it to be a very dark period of our history that I am not the least bit proud of.
Jumping forward in time, I find the immigration politics today to be a joke. It might look good in the media, but in reality, the system is very unfair and illogical. It is actually very difficult to be granted asylum. You pretty much have to have an army waiting at the border to execute you and your family to be allowed to stay in Sweden. And if you somehow make it through the bureaucracy, what can you expect then? Even with a university degree, you’ll be lucky if you get a job as a cleaner or a waiter.
I really like living in Sweden and I have no problem with the high taxes or several other things that people usually complain about. However, like all countries there are also many things that need to be improved and the immigration politics is definitely one of them.
EDIT: I’d just like to add, before anyone starts yelling at me and calling my post misinformed communist propaganda (kidding... ), that I am perfectly aware of the fact that Sweden didn’t cooperate fully and that there was some resistance. I just happen to think that the negative outweighs the positive. There was so much more we could, and should, have done.
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Joey7F
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Swedish_Sith I´m not trying to glorify anything here, I´m not a patriot. What I´m trying to do is to point out that Sweden didn´t "aid" the Nazis and that we certainly fought them. There are more than one way to deal with tyranny. Sometimes, comparing military muscles isn´t the best way to accomplish anything.
I know that Sweden would have faced loses. Sometimes the best way to help is through espionage and sabotage. There is nothing wrong with being a "patriot". You should be proud of what Sweden has accomplished. I am proud of what America has even though we have made some major mistakes throughout our unlikely 226 years.
Jedi-Lynx I really like living in Sweden and I have no problem with the high taxes or several other things that people usually complain about. However, like all countries there are also many things that need to be improved and the immigration politics is definitely one of them.
High taxes stink, but if I am remembering right, there are only federal taxes in Sweden? For example, when you buy a car you don't pay taxes on it right? If so, then you aren't that much worse off than the US. We (depending on salary of course) pay almost 50% of our money in taxes, Federal/State/Local.
About immigration, Scandinavia needs to be real careful about opening to the doors to anyone that wants to live there. Every year Norway, Sweden and Denmark are always listed among the top 10 countries to live. Immigration, particularly immigration from outside of the Nordic countries, will probably be "taxing" on government resources, and the cultural uniformity that you all have.
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ah. well, now to probably one of the most critical people on the FFS board about the US.
I have only one thing to say.
A country that spends up to 10 times the money to buy Fighter-Air-Crafts (u know, big grey things that dropps bombs and KILL people) to one airbase.
Than on the funding for the cure of cancer is a bad country.
There is no way to justify the need of killing people rather than saving them.
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ah. well, now to probably one of the most critical people on the FFS board about the US.
What is FFS? Fanforce Sweden? This is the Nordic General forum
I have only one thing to say. A country that spends up to 10 times the money to buy Fighter-Air-Crafts (u know, big grey things that dropps bombs and KILL people) to one airbase. Than on the funding for the cure of cancer is a bad country. There is no way to justify the need of killing people rather than saving them.
I am not sure that is true. In addition to the US government spending money on cancer research, money also comes from private industry.
Also, if you don't have a strong military, if you don't kill certain people, they will kill you. I believe we are justified in our actions. Incidentally, you can see what the Secretary of Defense presented as "new" evidence to the UN. I say "new" because it is the first time is has been made public and/or it is confirming our suspicions.
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I say FFS (Fan Force Sweden) because I dont realy know how ant-US the other nordice FF´rs are.
One fault dosnt justify another.
One day of bombing Afghanistan costs about 270 Million USD.
Now a week of bombing costs 1890 million USD.
Why not spend it on US-propaganda in Afghanistan and with food and things like that. Things that they REALY need.
Ah. and the new "evidence" a couple of photos and some lame theory about "mobile massdestruction-weapon factorys" or whatever it was.
Face it, George just wants the oil, he cant have it. So now he is going to take it.
Why didnt US-Forces go into Bagdad the last time and got rid of Saddam?
We will get nowhere with this discussion. You amreicans are all to brainwashed by the goverment to understand words like "peace" "humanity" and "own misstakes".
The funding of the cure for cancer from the US-Goverment is about 200 million/Year.
At the same time the funding for the army is... enormous.
If you guys stoped bombing other countrys and helped them in a way that they could use (that means not to aid their millitary with guns and more guns). ppl around the world wouldnt be that mad at you.
But the again, the Us-philosophy is "Bomb it".
It was you guys that gave those guys the weapons in the first place.
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Keep this discussion civil, I will keep a close eye on it.
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I say FFS (Fan Force Sweden) because I dont realy know how ant-US the other nordice FF´rs are.
I think most are not Anti-US
One fault dosnt justify another.
What fault doesn't justify what fault?
One day of bombing Afghanistan costs about 270 Million USD.
Now a week of bombing costs 1890 million USD.
Why not spend it on US-propaganda in Afghanistan and with food and things like that. Things that they REALY need.
We are. So are our allies (sweden too?)
Ah. and the new "evidence" a couple of photos and some lame theory about "mobile massdestruction-weapon factorys" or whatever it was.
I thought the evidence was pretty good. The Aerial photos, and communication intercepts were particularly incriminating...
Face it, George just wants the oil, he cant have it. So now he is going to take it.
Why didnt US-Forces go into Bagdad the last time and got rid of Saddam?
We have oil. The reason why we did not remove Saddam because
A.) We had just had a victory, and we though that Saddam would be toppled in a coup...
B.) We would be violating the United Nations resolution had we proceeded
In hindsight we were wrong. We should have forced the issue.
We will get nowhere with this discussion. You amreicans are all to brainwashed by the goverment to understand words like "peace" "humanity" and "own misstakes".
Brainwashed? Hardly. There is not a single person that I know that would not like a diplomatic solution. However when this is not possible, we must take military action
The funding of the cure for cancer from the US-Goverment is about 200 million/Year.
At the same time the funding for the army is... enormous.
Yes, but private industry does not fund the army. They are funding cancer research.
If you guys stoped bombing other countrys and helped them in a way that they could use (that means not to aid their millitary with guns and more guns). ppl around the world wouldnt be that mad at you.
But the again, the Us-philosophy is "Bomb it".
Ouch. Ask Estonia, Afghanis, and Kuwaitis what they think of the United States. We do provide REAL support. Look at Japan, and Germany. They were devasted after WWII and are now models of how nations can turn around.
It was you guys that gave those guys the weapons in the first place.
Yes, we did. But I don't recall arming Saddam. Yes, we did make a mistake by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan too early
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As I said before, I find no intrest in discussing with someone from the US.
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