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If i was the PM i would
edgejedi88
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May '05
Date Posted:
11/17/05 3:26am
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Hmm. To a dark place this line of thought will take us. Great care we must take.
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Master-FatBurt
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11/17/05 3:51am
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I'm not going to get drawn into a Bush/Blair bashing session here and I don't really want to see it either.
Debate is fine but open critism isn't.
I personally feel the whole Iraq war was badly handled. They went in on bogus evidence and were possibly a touch to quick to react. That said however I feel removing Saddam from the region was a good move though this should have been done by Bush snr.
Forcing regieme change through war is a bad move however as it just creates more problems than it solves as it creates extremists (see all the car bombs recently
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However the UN proceedures in place were not helping the Iraqi people as Saddam still had his luxury but the people still had squalor.
As I say removing Saddam was a good move (Mugabe next) but we need to look at ways that don't involve military action every time. This is something I feel Bush and his advisors look to do (Iran being threatened) and the fact that Blair is prepared to go along with it just reflects badly on the UK.
Iran have said they are prepared to look into alternatives with help from the US and EU but Bush and Blair seem to be over looking this and want to head towards Iran for their latest assault on terror as opposed to actually trying to sit down and try to fix the problem and reach a compromise.
I certainly don't know the answer and neither do Bush and Blair but sometime I feel they only have a basic grasp on the question and like anyone who doesn't fully understand the question they're lashing out in the hope that they figure it out.
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jedi_master_booth
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There is a lot more i would say no the matter - hes lucky i toned it down a lot -
most yanks are fine - my problem is we went to war without the UN backing on 1441 and what for .
george w bush has been called far worse than idot !!!
war munger for a start !
Mr Blair has been rolled over the hot coals for his part over here - I whatched farenhight 911 by mick moore and yes some good points .
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Lord_Ogli
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11/17/05 5:37am
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Besides, How can the country that brought us Chicago town pizzas be all bad hmmm?
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Susan_Delgado
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i agree.....chicago town pizzas om nom nom.......and disney landddddddd
love that place
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Jedi_Nath
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LOL, only just got this thread...I read "PM" as private message
and it has been rather puzzling until now!
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Lord_Ogli
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11/17/05 9:29am
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Lol, if i was the PM i would send messages...Privatly
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jedi_master_booth
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i have the feeling i keep putting my foot in it - if i over step the mark please tell me to shut up !
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Master-FatBurt
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Maybe not overstepping the mark as such but maybe read through what you've written then have a brew come back read again and then post after any amendments have been made.
Never post whilst frustrated or wound up especially if it's over a subject that irks you. I've done that in e.mails at work and it tends not to go down too well.
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Susan_Delgado
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yes true..
but it was an over patriotic american not us....
if i was pm id lower beer prices and make all criminals pay for thier celss if they cant pay they work hard labour like road building etc.....
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F16WarBird
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Speaking as a Yank, I love you limies!
It doesn't bother me what anyone says about my President. You know why? His name isn't Chirac.
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What I am curious about is this - just how much power (immediate) does the PM have? How much of the policy is his personal creation and not just the ideas of the behind-the-scenes guys? If policies are not the actual original thought of the PM, then isn't the PM just a figurehead who is fed the info? What if the wrong info is given - Blair claims to some extent this is what happened over the WMD - I remember just before the Iraqi war, Blair came forward on TV and said the US has got definite info on the fact that Iraq is hiding WMD and they know where they are, yet the WMD were never found. No one likes a dictator, and Saddam is a nasty piece of work no doubt, but how much were we "manipulated" by his opponents who wanted to regain power for themselves - the West sees deomcracy as the be-all and end-all of life (as do I) - the right to vote or not, the right to pick or not pick a candidate - that was obviously not something happening in Iraq in Saddam's reign. But the Middle East is a difficult place, there is a lot of manipulation of Westerners who see things in purely black and white - who are the "good guys" out there? Who is open to bribery, in poverty stricken countries like Iraq? I just wonder who is pulling the wool over who's eyes. We see an clear enemy, but we don't see those waiting in the wings.
Having met a lot of Americans, I can safetly tell you they are not a bunch of dumb people. They are very much like us. And we have enough dumb people in the UK before we start aiming abuse their way lol. Chavs are a disease (I'd say mental illness, or lack of mental ability aka deficiency, but you'll get upset)
I have learnt one thing from chatting to them, for me it is often more important to abstain from voting if there isn't a good choice of candidates, I said this on another forum, and the response I got back would say to me this isn't the done thing in the US - it was Joe partly involved in that. I can understand why, the armed forces need support (they deserve as much), and by voting you are in a sense supporting them. And if I were honest Joe, I would have voted Kerry as I agree with you - given the chance, I would have voted in the Presidential Elections (such as they are a huge thing). I was very annoyed when in the US at one advert for the elections - it was Vietnam war veterans who weren't happy with Kerry (I don't believe it was ever proven that he didn't deserve the medals he got, but his anti-war stance later made him many enemies) - but I can't believe the veterans would back a man who refused to fight/got himself out of the war - ie Bush - over a man who at least did his time. The other thing I noticed different between the UK and the US - once the elections in the US were over, people were told to support the President fully now he had been elected - whereas over here people will continue to not believe in/support Blair despite his election win - that is a UK/US difference I noticed. Partriotism is different, the Americans believe in backing fully the winner, the UK believes that it has the right to continue to follow their own party. Of course in times of need, both countries have that spirit where all different political backgrounds forget differences, and back those in charge. Until those in charge make a hash of it.
I wouldn't want to be PM - I have no idea of how to run this country, there is no right way of doing it, as Blair found out - and what makes me sick about the current Labour is that fact they think they can gloss over everything, that morals go out the window if the MPs are allegedly good at their job - the fabric of our society must be upheld, selfish marriage wreckers should not be governing over us! Blair has found that he can't wave a magic wand, the world doesn't work like that, and blaming previous governments just doesn't work. But the public should also get a grip on reality. You can't have an uptopia where everything is free, because money doesn't grow on trees - for good services you need taxes, tax people too much and they are unhappy. I could never lie to the public, I would never make a good politician.
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Eddie
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11/18/05 12:57am
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I see Tony Blair on the news and think to myself, why does he still want this job?!!
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edgejedi88
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11/18/05 3:02am
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I do however belive that he enjoys his job to some extent.
To be in the limelight however brings its own issues, especially the way that the media has its own powermongers with their own agendas.
Blair and Bush both have those issues, hence why people get passionate about what they hear.
Facts though...are few and far between. The big fact here though as I see it is that war is the real crime. As always, there will be Generals and Troops.
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