Author Topic: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
AramysStrael  1441 posts
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Date Posted: 6/16 12:25pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time - Date Edited: 6/17 6:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Miana Kenobi
TatooineForceRecon posted:
Where the heck is that pot, got to stir it! laugh laugh laugh Bill stop taking things so seriously, it makes life harder. It's not like you have to work all the time because of your roommate. Oh wait. Oops sorry. wink wink





Too soon? whistling


Speaking of stirring pots, here's another one who likes to do it from time to time...

You're so funny, silly-sandie, I forgot to laugh! There isn't much overtime this month, so that paying rent is going to be a bit difficult. THe current roommate is stull unemployed, with no immediate employment prospects. The roommate search continues, currently to no avail. Yeah, way to frakkin' soon!

I don't mind playful joking, kidding, whatever. But the same type of joke, over and over again becomes no longer funny. It becomes annoying. Seriously, stirring the pot for the sake of stirring it is realistically no different that what Colt did when he pulled off his shenanigans. It was disruptive and annoying then, as it is getting now.

Be serious? For crying out loud, how long have we been trying to get a t-shirt together? And how long has the proces been stalled because people won't take it seriously enough?

To use the excuse that one is pregnant, or socially inept, or [insert excuse here], is just that: an excuse. Take some responsibility for who you are and your actions, people. For the love of money and all that is evil, is it som much to ask for a little bit of seriousness when the situation calls for it? OFF business isn't something that really should be taken lightly. I mean if we don't care about making the OFF work, then why are we even here? Why are we continuing to keep this dying group going if we can't be bothered to take the running of this FanForce group with some seriousness?

Thant is all I ave to say on the subject.

- Bill

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  17043 posts
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Date Posted: 6/16 12:28pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Why don't we just elect the CR and get this over with? plain

 

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AramysStrael  1441 posts
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Date Posted: 6/16 12:37pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Great.... with no other serious nominations, it falls on Eric again. Fine by me. I don't have any issues with Eric, or Chris (Crashdown) as CR, for that matter.

- Bill

 

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Larena_Jade  2519 posts
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Date Posted: 6/16 6:03pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
1. I could have fell on my knees and hugged ForceRecon for saying exactly what my heart was dieing to scream out in all that editing. praying Maybe it will help you to think of it this way AramysStrael: Do you realize you're flipping out on a silly SW Forum that should have no connection to the happiness you hold in your life or yourself? It's quite silly really, if you let yourself think about it. I hope that helps.


2. I also wanted to find a way to say this, but alas there is no strategically pleasing way to say it to you: You're actually acting just like Colt in many ways right now. Deny it all you want since you seem to enjoy bringing another persons faults down anyways.


3. Using the "pregnancy editing" was merely a way of saying that due to the fact that I am hormonally imbalanced right now I had a whole lot of words to say about how ridiculously childish it is to be so serious about such things.


4. We all enjoy having you as a member AramysStrael. You add yet another crazy dynamic to the OFF and I very much enjoy you! However, with how bitter and serious you act all the time I am a bit worried it will scare some of the members away. To be honest, I'm sure a good amount of us here hold our tongue on a daily basis to keep you happy and calm. I cannot speak for others of course, but I know I play the "lighthearted fairy" quite often in hopes you will perhaps see there is no need to be so fired up and offended at everything in life. Take heart, take a deep breath, and look at a sunrise or two.


5. This, though very short considering the amount of concern I could speak out right now, was very hard for me to say. Though you say I "stir the pot" I am actually the type of person who at all costs stays away from "the pot". I hate bringing negative things to the table and I avoid it unto enduring editing, lol. My pot stirring is never about anything that demands true seriousness. So please don't take this too bad. I want you to know these potentially harsh words are very hard for me to say. But much needed...

 

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jawafett  816 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 9:06am Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
I accept the nomination. If there's anyone else that wants to be CR, please make yourself known. I'll post a poll June 22 for CR voting to make all of it legit.

Please, stay on target.

-Eric

 

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AramysStrael  1441 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 12:44pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Larena_Jade posted:
1. I could have fell on my knees and hugged ForceRecon for saying exactly what my heart was dieing to scream out in all that editing. praying Maybe it will help you to think of it this way AramysStrael: Do you realize you're flipping out on a silly SW Forum that should have no connection to the happiness you hold in your life or yourself? It's quite silly really, if you let yourself think about it. I hope that helps.

Nothing like having like minded folks sharing in the stirring of said pot….

Flipping out? No. Getting annoyed? Yes. Bottom line is that there is a time and place for the funny stuff – it doesn’t have to be all the time and nor should it be. Most of the time it isn’t a big deal with the craziness. But there are times when a little more seriousness is needed, as is the case with the T-Shirt. This is a project that has been long overdue. Realistically, this should have been done well over a year ago. Why did it not ever get done? Well, truth be told, it was a lack of serious commitment on the part of the membership. Nobody wanted to take the project seriously enough to see it through. And now when it is, those who are trying to get something accomplished (me) are knocked down for trying to keep things on track.


2. I also wanted to find a way to say this, but alas there is no strategically pleasing way to say it to you: You're actually acting just like Colt in many ways right now. Deny it all you want since you seem to enjoy bringing another persons faults down anyways.

I find this to be the most insulting thing you could have ever said. I am nothing like Colt, will never be anything like Colt, and I’m quite offended that you would lump me in with that ilk! I’m not one to stir up a bunch of drama and run behind the “colors” when something doesn’t go my way. I, unlike Colt, an open enough to tell each and everyone of you how it is, as I see it. I don’t mince words, and never have.

I am opinionated, yes. I stand by my convictions. I’m no phony. I don’t go off running into a corner when everyone is against me, like that idiot did.

You have no clue what it is that you are talking about.



3. Using the "pregnancy editing" was merely a way of saying that due to the fact that I am hormonally imbalanced right now I had a whole lot of words to say about how ridiculously childish it is to be so serious about such things.

Ridiculously childish…… do you even read any of your own posts?

4. We all enjoy having you as a member AramysStrael. You add yet another crazy dynamic to the OFF and I very much enjoy you! However, with how bitter and serious you act all the time I am a bit worried it will scare some of the members away. To be honest, I'm sure a good amount of us here hold our tongue on a daily basis to keep you happy and calm. I cannot speak for others of course, but I know I play the "lighthearted fairy" quite often in hopes you will perhaps see there is no need to be so fired up and offended at everything in life. Take heart, take a deep breath, and look at a sunrise or two.

So, since you can’t speak for others, don’t. I’m sure I could make the same argument about you in your various posts of meaningless babble. One thing I have learned to do is simply ignore most of your posts, or just not bother reading the threads that you frequent the most. If you don’t like what I have to say, or don’t care for my attitude, then I suggest you follow suit. Nobody is forcing you to read anything I have to say!

As I said, already, there is a time and place for the silly posts. I don’t think it is to much to ask to be a little bit serious when it comes to working on FanForce projects, like the current T-shirt project or the fliers, etc. Silly posts are fine in the Daily Life thread, not so much when it is club business.


5. This, though very short considering the amount of concern I could speak out right now, was very hard for me to say. Though you say I "stir the pot" I am actually the type of person who at all costs stays away from "the pot". I hate bringing negative things to the table and I avoid it unto enduring editing, lol. My pot stirring is never about anything that demands true seriousness. So please don't take this too bad. I want you to know these potentially harsh words are very hard for me to say. But much needed...


Oh, but you do stir the pot. Avoid at all costs? I seem to recall deliberate goading of Colt, on your part, when he was CR. If that wasn’t pot stirring, I don’t know what is! I seem to remember that when he was threatening some severe sanctions for inactivity, you kicked it up a notch by being overtly defiant toward him. I’m sure it was that defiance and harsh rebukes from others, including me, that sent him off running to the “colors”.

Or, how about more recently when were trying to get this T-shirt project ironed out? Artwork was asked for. Artwork submitted was immediately dismissed without so much as adding any contribution to the project. Instead of adding anything helpful, you threw in distractions that actually hinders – and has hindered - this project for over a year!

Those are, but, two such examples of “stirring the pot”. You say that you hate bringing negative things to the table, that was just such an example of doing just that – albeit, he did deserve it. Anytime there is open rebellion against the leadership of a group it only hurts the morale of the group.

Potentially harsh words were very hard for you to say? Somehow, I really doubt that. Much needed? By who’s standards? Yours? Please, don’t make me laugh.

I’m not saying you have to stop being who you are because I say so – good grief, no! I’m saying that there is a time and place for everything. Just as you don’t think it is right for me to impose myself on others, I am inclined to share the same viewpoint of you as well.

Now, getting back to staying on target: I have stated I wouldn’t object to being CR. But I haven’t been nominated. I’m not the type of person to go nominating myself, either. I’m not petty, or vain like that. Besides, Eric, you’ve accepted your nomination and I refuse to run against a friend. Not that it matters, there will always be those who will throw the proverbial monkey wrench in the mix and sabotage whatever chances I’ve ever had of winning – provided it was even a possibility in the first place.

What can I say? I’m still bitter at some of the underhanded actions of certain members that lead to ever defeat I’ve had in running for elections. Those individuals know who they are. They know what they did, especially so when they send me a PM saying “I hope there are no hard feelings, bro.”

I’m more of a working class person, than a leader anyway. Sure it would be nice to take on the reigns, for once. But, it really isn’t work all of the bs….


- Bill

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  17043 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 12:47pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
This internal conflict has to end. Do we want to be seen as a group who bickers a lot? That's not good for our image, and it could be bad for us as a group.

 

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AramysStrael  1441 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 12:54pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
You're right, of course. But, I might add that it doesn't help our image as a FanForce to not pull together and be an active FanForce, either.

A lack of commitment, drive and determination has led to a lot of former members to leave our graces. Something else to think about, as well....

- Bill

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  17043 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 1:05pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Well, let's try and have some meetings.

 

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Larena_Jade  2519 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 3:34pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
I agree with not wanting to bicker, which is why we should all do what we can to communicate what is needed and return to friendlier things. peace


What I want to ask is, are you one to look at the inner person? And are you one to recognize true maturity, childishness, and everything else that comes from within? You should not look at the outter behavior of one socializing in an online message board. Rather, what kind of person are they when matters of importance arise? Yes, it would be good to get the shirts done. And I apologize for dancing around with my little lute being distracting. Of course I cannot change the scope you view the world in. Everyone is different and everyone lives in their own little world... unfortunately we cannot help that.


Really, I should be the one realizing that I can prove nothing to you and just continue tipping my hat politely. I just know such poisonous behavior and attitude cannot go on like this. I love that you care about the fanforce and I respect your intentions greatly! But to be annoyed at people and situations in life is only a waste of time. The fact is, if you presented yourself differently I might want to nominate you for CR! But someone who can parade around being annoyed at trivial matters and who lacks the means of being friendly within circumstance cannot represent the people. Especially when you go around giving our newest members a hard time(having an opinion about a layout you neither designed nor control). Hey, my OFF pride rolled within me when I read that post too! I've become accustomed to this layout as I've been visiting for years! But that's just someones opinion and no reason to give them a bad welcome. Big deal. I'm not going to go cry when someone insults my beloved message board layout, haha.


Colt and I PMed each other lots and we were completely cool with each other(even during the times I took up the flag of the OFF in revolt against him!) Because you see, we were both persons of understanding. My revolt was to fight a cause. Everyone elses revolt was to fight Colt himself. There is much of a difference in what is important. What was important there was protecting an idea! And that's where the fun(yet seriousness) comes into play!
It is a waste of time and the breeding of bad seeds when we turn to take down a single person for their faults(instead of helping them overcome their faults).




I'll just end with this. You cannot control people. Those who have gathered to be serious about turning the OFF into something I give a big huzzah to! But does this mean that the people who for certain reasons(life, desire, exc.) are not as focused on the non-message board part of the OFF need to leave? Be gone? Else we get smoked for sticking around and not "taking action". That is where Colt went wrong(and branched off). And that is where your way of looking at and acting in the OFF has gone wrong. Like Colt, smoking everyone into controlled submission and seriousness does not work. I realized that back in my day of giving leadership here a go. When all was said and done, the people here just didn't want to get off their butts and make this place something else. They either liked it, or were too lazy. Unfortunately, like most leaders, you have to respect that. No matter how wrong you think they are. No, you cannot control a bunch of online SW fans here to chat it up. I say, go for making this place bigger and better! Take the followers you can and be proactive! But you must disregard those cannot or will not.(As for me, obviously I cannot...I'm not even in Oregon to do so!) But I'm content sitting here chatting it up with my fellow SW nerds, joking, debating, voting on fun t-shirts, exc.



And let those out there know, they need not be scared away by this "bickering". I do not view it as such. I view it as communicating a need or a problem. And that's healthy. Sometimes it doesn't look so pleasant. But if those within the conversation remain open and agreeable, there is no reason it should ever affect the two parties after conclusion.
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AramysStrael  1441 posts
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Date Posted: 6/17 5:11pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Never once did I believe that you can control anyone into a course of action - more, you have to steer them. How do you do that? You start by being the example. People follow leaders because they are following the example. We've had leaders who never grasped that concept. Their idea of steering the masses was by guilting or strong-arming the masses into a course of action designed by them. We can see how well that went over.

As far as revolting against Colt, for the sake of revolting against him? I disagree. All of us rallied behind you because we all felt passionate about the cause. The fact that we all collectively told Colt to stick it was secondary.

I was willing to give the kid a chance because he had a lot of zeal for the FanForce. That is something I can always respect. I can respect that there are those that want to make this place pop. What I have a hard time with are the lazy butts who aren't doing anything to help the growth of the OFF. I'm certainly not saying that they shouldn't be here, but I would ask them why they are a member of this club if they have no desire to help it along. To me, that just doesn't make any sense. Are people signing on for the status symbol? Because if that is the case, I'm not getting that either.

I don't wish to force anyone to be something that they aren't. But there are certain levels of behavior I do expect from fellow members. I do expect that we be civil to each other and so forth. Disagreements are one thing, but full on flaming or baiting is unacceptable. Anyone who knows me, know that I have always stood up for the little guy. When I see something that I don't feel is right I will check that person, right then and there.

A CR isn't just a representative, they are an advocate for their chapter, even in the face of other members that are being a$$ hats! How many times have I stood up for you, Larena? or you Eric? or you Crash? How many times have I stood up to someone who's comments were always just short of being flammatory in nature? Quite a bit. I've had the colors called on me on several occasions. And in every situation, I've told them the same thing that I'm saying right now: I will always stand up for what is right. And if you are going to reward the other guy for being the jerk that they are, you can kindly kiss my.... well, you get the idea.

I really don't even see a need for the poll, Eric. You are the only one who is in the running. Let's all just unanimously declare you the winner and move on....

- Bill

 

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jawafett  816 posts
Title: Oregon Fanforce Chapter Rep
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Date Posted: 6/26 1:42pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Does anyone else want to be Oregon FanForce CR?? Do we need a poll? July 1st will be start of CR position for 6months, or 1yr? Thoughts please.

-Eric

 

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AramysStrael  1441 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26 2:48pm Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
As I have said before, I wouldn't mind the job, but I am not going to beg for it, either. I don't feel like running another sham of an election where people have already made up theirmind before the candidates even made their opening statements. Nor do I feel like being chumped by those who would ask very pointed questions in which the end result is to make me look like a fool. It has happened before and I don't care to ever deal with the crap again.

I think it really depends on how much of a work load do you want on your shoulders. Are you wanting to go back to a six month term, or stay on for a full year? Give us an honest assessment of how you are feeling toward the job ad its duties. We will support whatever decision you make.

- Bill

 

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jawafett  816 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30 7:03am Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
Unless anyone else doen't want to run, it's either ArmysStrael or Jawafett for OFF CR. It's time to make a decision. Poll goes up 6/3 Thurs.

Jawafett's Proposal for Oregon FanForce CR position:
Looking to the future, I see greater membership participation not only in topic discussions, but in future events. There a number of walks for charity that we as a group can participate in/raise awareness for, group gatherings at Star Wars events along side the local costumers, and other things that have been suggested like a selected book reviews, Portland Comic Book show, Orycon. We just need to have more meetings (every month), to help plan out the logistics of having tables at said conventions, Flier redesign?, and in general, a great group of like minded Star Wars fan group for Oregon. I will take in your suggestions, and work with you to help make our group better, and I ask for your inputs, your topics of discussion, and ask for calm attitudes in your responses when posting. MTFBWY!
Thank You.

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  17043 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30 8:59am Subject: 2009 OFF CR Election Time
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