ST Who's The Baddie?

I understand your general point. Just objecting to the broad stereotype regarding the behaviors of Mediterranean peoples! Discretion was (and is) a major part of Italian organized crime, much like it was for Whitey Bulger and his Irish network. It's just that the "flashy" contingent (who always gets nabbed) has received more media attention. There are loads of examples of dingy, grungy or poor rural settings for the leadership of Italian crime networks, ranging from the Neapolitan "Camorra" to the Calabrian "ndrangheta." Recent research into police records has uncovered a lot.

 

here's a question. do you think kylo ren will use FORCE LIGHTNING?

 

I hope not. Force lightning should have been unique to The Emperor and I hated when Dooku used it.

 

I hope not. I don't think of force lightning as some sort of D&Desque "Sith ability." It was simply a means of showing how "above the fray" the Emperor was. He wasn't a soldier that used a sword. He was nearly a deity! And deities can create lightning.

Kylo Ren is, as far as I can tell, a soldier. And he should use a saber. Darth Serkis, on the other hand...

 

Yes. It will use the Falcon.

 

what? dooku rules. he is sith.



that being said kylo is probably a sith wannabe at this point.

 

I didn't say I dislike Dooku. I just said that he shouldn't have used lightning because lightning should have been exclusive to Sheev, not something that any Sith can do.

 

So who do you guys expect Uber to be exactly?

An ancient Sith or an underling of Palpatine like the Mizzlewump rumor stated.

 

idk. we have zero info on uber.

 

I was asking for predictions

 

If any are interested in the general themes and ideas Lucas explored and advanced in the Prequels, i.e. plagues, parasites, symbiosis and warfare, from the social scientists perspective, I recommend William H.McNeill's Plagues and People and The Pursuit of Power. The ideas in these books resonate throughout the PT story. Quite interesting.

 

Why? Dooku wasn't just any Sith. He was a former Jedi.

If Palpatine's Master is the opaque threat lurking about in the background of the ST saga, then it seems logical from a writer's perspective to show Sidious with shared traits, which has the effect of providing the audience with a lack certainty in his 'unlimited power', although indirectly. The character's camp or exaggeration lends itself to this idea as well - "Is this guy for real?" The biggest challenge for the writers IMO is to give this new threat a power as visceral and menacing as Sith lightening, which is seems incredibly difficult to outplay. Like the Death Star of super weapons. Perhaps a power that plays on the same fears and instincts as the lightening, but gives the appearance of ubiquity. Like fear, greed and the Eye of Sauron.

 

Because if anyone can use it, it's no longer impressive when Sheev uses it and it makes Sheev seem less unique. What does whether or not Dooku was a former Jedi have to do with this?

Anyway, if Plagueis or Kylo Ren used lightning, it would be like a third Death Star: No longer threatening or unique.

 

Maybe that was the point.

Just an observation, having been on both sides of the Force it seems as though he would be quite powerful and he made a good precursor to Anakin, IMO. A fallen angel tempted by Sheev, the Devil himself.

 

You are correct that Dooku was supposed to forshadow Anakin. GL said, "If Sheev can corrupt one Jedi, he can corrupt another." Maybe GL should have had Dooku use a Force Choke instead of Force Lightning?

 

I suspect that the people who don't have a problem with Dooku being able to use force lightning are generally people who didn't grow up with the OT, but instead got into Star Wars more or less as a whole.
The moment in which Luke tosses his lightsaber aside, with Palpatine saying "so be it, Jedi", and then (after the cutaway) demonstrating just how powerful he is, conjuring lightning from nowhere, utterly overwhelming Luke, was properly shocking.

Compare that to the moment when Obi Wan casually absorbs Dookus ligtning with a lightsaber, and it makes the power slightly more mundane.

 

vader would have used lightning but he was in the suit.

 

But that wasn't so before AOTC was released, and why didn't he use it in the Jedi Temple or on Mustafar?

 

doesn't matter.

 

That's not true. The whole conversation was about how AOTC ruined lightning.

 

it didn't. only a powerful sith can use it in canon. sidious, dooku, the son and mother talzin from tcw.

"How does one defend against such power?"

"A wise master does not reveal all his secrets at once. In due time, my apprentice."―Savage Opress and Dooku, after electrocuting Opress with a barrage of Force lightning.

vader was powerful enough to do it but he's in an electrical suit.

 

I was referring to my opinion. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

 

I thought Vader couldn't use it because he didn't have any hands? At least hands of flesh and bone.

 

I would say that Anakin hadn't been taught to use lightening, even as Vader later on. Sheev was keeping his knowledge close to his chest and away from 'the Chosen One".

Obi-Wan was a fully trained Jedi Knight, unlike Luke.

Once you've seen the lightening once it doesn't have the lasting effect as the first look. It diminishes over time. The story must unfold.

If it's part of an overall story I would rather Sheev not be the be all, end all Sith. And this from a person who saw STAR WARS in the theater in 1977 and 1978, repeatedly, when I was 7 and 8 years old.

 

that too. vader was powerful enough to learn it on his own i think. he just couldn't use it safely and liked choking people better.