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growingupgeek
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Mar '08
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3/17 11:12am
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Lucas could have kept Maul (perhaps as the General Grevious character) and maintained a consant threat level throughout the films. As it was, the impotent trade federation and the mysterious "menace" provided very little to be afraid of. Certainly less than the neck crushing Vader in the classic trilogy.
I actually discussed this on my show this week. Listen here.
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Arawn_Fenn
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3/17 4:56pm
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Dashon
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3/21 10:33pm
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Yes, Maul's death was a neccesary loss. Only someone as cunning as Dooku could have delt with the seperatists. Also, I'm sensing a disrespect for the man's fighting skills. He held his own agianst yoda and was responsible for training Greivous and Assaj Ventress. He was very intlligent. In my opinion, he had Maul beat in the brain and brawn category.
Maul was pretty cool though. It was more of his look combined with his style that impresses the masses.
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ShaneP
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3/22 6:26pm
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I think the most folks could hope for in future releases of the TPM is restoration of footage we know was shot, like more desert duel and the extended end saber duel(clips of which can be seen on the DVD).
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LadySythe
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4/6 7:23pm
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Yeah, that would be nice *sigh* Even better if GL did some reshoots with Ray and Maul's voice actor and the other actors for the scenes that were in the movie adapation book as well.
I'm afraid though, the chances of either are about as good as me finding myself standing on a skywalk looking dumbfounded as I stare wide eyed at the passing traffic and towering buildings of Coruscant. 
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AnakinSucks
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4/7 6:00am
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What strikes me as odd is that I never found Maul that cool to begin with.
Most heavy-duty fans and casual fans alike thought that he was great from the get go, but I was unimpressed.
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EECHUUTA
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I found him cool, but I hated his cheap death. The first time I saw it I was like "What the crap!?!"
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Darth_Davi
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4/7 9:02am
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Darth Maul was just a tool. (not in the insulting "you are such a tool" kind of way) He was just a means to an end, to get the story to where it needed to be. Knowing that he had to die for Anakin to eventually become the Sith Apprentice of Palpatine, I don't think the Maul fanboys or fangirls would have been really happy no matter how he got killed off. And he would have been killed off. It was his job to die. Darth Maul was just a supporting character, not a principal one. His job was to kill Qui-Gon, then be killed by Kenobi, so Kenobi becomes a Knight, and therefore eligible to train Anakin. The way Lucas wrote TPM, Qui-Gon, while being an interesting character, ultimately stood in the way of progressing the story. His presence prevented the Kenobi/Anakin bonding. He had to die. So, Lucas conveniently created a Sith Apprentice who could kill off Qui-Gon, and then be killed off himself, which also cleared the way for Anakin's turn later. Darth Maul was never intended to survive, he was created with his death already guaranteed. Darth Maul's role is essentially the same as General Grievous. Palpatine's subordinate, designed to be killed by a Jedi. Neither were anything but temporary characters.
This is especially true if you believe that Palpatine's insinuations about Plagueis had some element of truth. If you accept that Plagueis had the power to create life (ie, a fatherless child exactly like Anakin) then that leads to Anakin really being a Sith experiment. If Palpatine knew Plagueis could create life, he would know about Anakin. If he knows about Anakin, then it would just be a matter of time until he got his hands on him, and Maul becomes even more expendable. If Palpatine is telling the truth to Anakin in ROTS, then Darth Maul, in universe, was never going to be Palpatine's full time Sith Apprentice anyway. He was merely a temporary Sith, until Palpatine could "recover" Anakin.
Even if Palpatine was flat out lying to Anakin (which, I believe he was, his story was fictional, designed specifically to be bait for Anakin, and that while there may have very well been a Darth Plagueis, the actual details of the story were total fabrications) Darth Maul is still expendable by the end of TPM. As soon as Palpatine learns of Anakin Skywalker, and how strong he is, nobody else is good enough. Darth Tyranus was completely expendable, because Palpatine's goal was never to turn Count Dooku, it was to turn Anakin Skywalker. Palpatine schemed, as he is good at, and engineers his Apprentice's death to be a test for Skywalker. Darth Tyranus was just a placeholder until Anakin was ready. Had Darth Maul survived the events in TPM, as soon as Palpatine learns about Anakin, he becomes a mere placeholder as well, and we are the same place we were if the Plagueis tale is true...Palpatine coveting Anakin, and more than willing to sacrifice his current apprentice in order to get him. As soon as Anakin's power is revealed, EVERY Sith apprentice of Palpatine becomes expendable, if they weren't so already. Either way, Maul dies ingloriously, Anakin becomes Darth Vader, and the OT happens. Without Maul. So, who cares when he dies, when you know he had to die, in order for Anakin to ascend to Sith Lord status? What difference would it have made, if Maul died ten years later, other than you would have become more attached to him, and would be complaining even louder about his death?
I have Darth Maul toys, when TPM came out, I thought he was cool looking...but, I never thought he was all that great on screen. He is just a Boba Fett. Minimal screen time, serves a minor role, but okay, looks pretty cool. I guess I don't understand the love for him, he is just the final minor boss in a James Bond movie, the one henchman with the name...You know he gets killed, but because he actually has a name, its going to be a little more challenging...that's all. You don't watch a Bond movie, see the one henchman with a name, and wonder if he was planning on overthrowing Blofeld, or Dr. No, or whoever the bad guy is in that film...You just accept that he is gonna be killed towards the end of the movie, in some slightly creative way to separate him from the common henchmen, who just get shot or fall into a pit with the Wilhelm scream or something (see TF droids, stormtroopers). The named henchman gets to go out fighting the hero, gets to die being eaten by sharks with freakin laser beams on their heads... Darth Maul is that guy. A step up from the generic bad guy, but a step down from the real villain of the story.
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iluvdarthvader
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4/7 5:17pm
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no i dont think he should have died he waz kool... but then again it would have messed with the star wars story that waz carried out in the other episodes... but yeh i dont think he should have died... they should have included him in some of the other episodes!!!
ps! i luv darth vader
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iluvdarthvader
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i so totally agree with u he was killed the lamest possible way... honestly they should have left him in the other episodes... he looked soo cool!!!!!!!!!!!
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rechedelphar
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4/7 6:04pm
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Darth Maul was a weapon forged for battle. He spent long hours training and he gets killed way too easy. but his death was necessary because we neeeded Dooku. Dooku was the most intriguing villian of the PT
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LadySythe
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4/8 2:55am
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Listen, you do not. Understand you do not. Ignorant, you are.
Maul didn't have to die. Honestly people. Like I said before, he could have survived and vanished into the ether like Aurra Sing did during the Clone Wars and the time of the Empire. He could have healed, bidded his time, watched and waited. It is completely possible and probable. Then with Maul out of the way lurking in the shadows like he's good at, the way is still open for AOTC, ROTS and the OT... Heck, Maul's species could be long lived or he went into stasis and came back any time after the fall of the Empire till a thousand years from BBY.
*shakes head and sighs* Some people don't have to die for a story to continue.
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Rossa83
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4/8 7:54am
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rechedelphar posted:
Darth Maul was a weapon forged for battle. He spent long hours training and he gets killed way too easy. but his death was necessary because we neeeded Dooku. Dooku was the most intriguing villian of the PT
You are absolutely right. Spot on!
Maul was a weapon, a tool. He was killed by Obi-Wan. Regardless of whether you think Maul was a stronger duelist or not, he still lost and subsequently died.
I too find Dooku the most intriguing villain of the PT...
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iluvdarthvader
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4/8 10:33am
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yes i agree
they needed dukoo and in order for him to become the sith lords apprentice, maul had to die...
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4/8 10:46am
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LadySythe posted:
Listen, you do not. Understand you do not. Ignorant, you are.
Let's be careful calling someone ignorant just because they hold a different opinion than you do.
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