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Qui-Dawn
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*pokes head into discussion* Quite true, leelee, and the thing that always gets me about that moment.... (though, you know....I'm dissolving in tears through this whole scene anyway, what with Anakin's pain and desperation hitting me hard, with sheerly physical force....oh, how he's suffering, the poor dear - and how I'd do anything to spare him that suffering!) ....well, it's in the fact that he can't even finish saying the words - his voice breaks, his lips maybe shape what he wishes he had the strength to say, but he's just so much the pitifully heartbroken, scared, lost and alone little boy at that moment....the boy who for so long could seek comfort and solace in the arms of his mother....and now he was with her again, but this time he was the one holding her, trying in vain to provide any comfort - and there was of course no solace to be had for him then....not anymore.
It's that small, almost broken-sounding little whimper or tiny noise of pure, unutterable pain and grief that he makes then, as his voice breaks and he just can't find the words anymore....how he can't tell her that everything's going to be alright, though you *know* that's what he wants to say....just as he wants even more to be able to believe it himself....and then the way that his face twists like he's fighting back a storm of stricken, piteous tears....oh, your heart just goes out to him so completely in that moment - through the whole thing, obviously! - simply because....when someone can't even find the words like that, when all desperate voice and pleading is denied them....when they look like he does then, and sound like he does....it tears at your heart, moves you to tears, and you'd do *anything* to spare him this kind of pain and grief. It's far, *far* more than anyone should ever have to endure....
Also....the sheen of tears that you can see in his eyes, as she dies....and even afterwards, when he glares up from her body and looks utterly transformed by rage, hatred and such pain, terrible pain - and your heart still twists in agony and sympathy for him, even as his obvious, terrifying rage and hatred just make you flinch and gasp....well, even then, the sheen of tears remains in his eyes. And it's all the more piteously heartbreaking for that, I think....such a seemingly simple thing, perhaps, yet it conveys a world of torment and grief, and the hurting of a soul that is, in that moment, beyond all comfort....beyond all reason....who more than anything, just wants the pain to stop. *sob* Wah!
Dawn.
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Tyranus_the_Hutt
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1/23/05 1:02am
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Beautifully articulated, Qui-Dawn. It is quite clear that Hayden is in full command of the character in this scene, which is obviously one of the most powerful in the movie. However, I must disagree to some extent with GARTH_MAUL's comments - as strong as Hayden is in this sequence, it isn't representative of his strongest acting in the film. As one of three people who believes that Hayden actually gives a great performance in the movie, and arguably one of richest in the entire "Star Wars" saga, I would suggest that the confession scene contains his deepest, most emotionally complex acting.
HookLineAndSinker - Good job in pointing out Lucas' reference to "The Searchers" by John Ford. It is so evocative that for a moment I thought that Natalie Wood was about to pop up. 
On another note, it's quite interesting to realize that most of the Tusken Camp was created and photographed as a miniture model which was later composited with the live-action and digital effects footage. Hmmmmm.......
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GARTH_MAUL
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1/23/05 1:28am
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I didn't say the confession scene was bad, now did I?
But it's a scene of emotional release - Anakin gets to be angry, regretful, resentful and upset.
The scene with Shmi, however (IMHO) contains more subtle acting by Hayden - him biting his lip, the tears in his eyes.
The best part is when (I can't remember the exact quotes) he tries to tell her something and then she speaks and he immediately stop talking. "Stay with me, mom".
Very real.
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Tyranus_the_Hutt
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I didn't suggest that you thought that the confession scene was bad, GARTH_MAUL, and I apologize if the ideas and thoughts in my previous post were presented in a manner which carried connotations that led you to believe that I did. I agree with you, the scene in question is excellent. You are correct in stating that Hayden is faced with a more challenging task of conveying several emotional states within a very short period of time, using very little dialogue. In that sense it is more subtle. The confession scene is more obvious and melodramatic, I suppose, and Hayden has more of a dramatic "apparatus" with which to work, making it less of a technical achievement.
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SLAVE2
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Great scene, even if the "Nooooo" is a little distracting since its not clear who the voice is supposed to be, it sounds nothing like Qui-Gon.
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Obi_Frans
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"Nooooooooooo" is Yoda
Excellent scene, one of the most haunting in all of Star Wars so far
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Lars_Muul
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"Nooooooo" is a gamorrean who's run out of donuts.
Star Wars is six, two and one
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Obi_Frans
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a gamorrean who's run out of donuts.
"More seductive, the darkside is" 
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Lars_Muul
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Precisely
Star Wars is six, two and one
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DarthBoba
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Good scene.
I love Anakin's transformation for sad to seriously vengeful. It's so subtle; one minute he's looking down at his mom's body, the next, his eyes are filled with rage.
Then he goes outside. Chop, chop. There's nothing graceful about those first two kills. He just goes outside and decapitates the guards.
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A very nice scene. The whole backdrop on the cliffs was indeed beautiful and very effective.
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Qui-Dawn
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Something else of note....even as you may be flinching, even cringing back in shock and dread to see that expression of utter, blind rage and hatred in Anakin's eyes, as he glares up....his brow drawn, hooded, ferociously intense in an instant....as much as you see the anger and the burgeoning darkness, and flinch back from it in sheer dread....watch carefully, at this moment, because Anakin's chin is actually quivering, trembling like a child's - when that lost, scared, lonely little boy is about to burst into piteous tears....it's a very wrenchingly, heartbreakingly pitiful moment, a purely, rawly emotional reaction that just makes one cry for him even more....his very obvious and constant grief and torment....but then, to compare and contrast that aching vulnerability and grief with the look in his eyes....I suppose it only makes this singular moment all the more agonizing and poignantly wrenching.
How he's already grieving so terribly....how it seems that he could so easily fall apart in tears and heartbreak, then and there - with the wet glimmer of tears in his eyes, you see that....with the boyish, lost, forlorn trembling of his chin, quivering of his lips as though he's about to start sobbing, you see that....and yet, still, his overwhelming anger and terrible hurt, and his desire to end that hurt and see someone, *anyone* else pay for it....just to end it, offering any release from it even in the shedding of blood....he is, I think, a true study of emotional extremes at that moment. Anger, blame, hatred, helpless blind fury and frustration....hopelessness, loss, loneliness, confusion and heartbreak....it all blends together until he can't take it anymore, until he can't bear feeling this kind of torture, and in his own grief and utter, yawning, awful despair - he has no choice.
When the bright spot that had been his mother, in the universe, was cruelly ripped away from him in an instant....when her spark of life, love and warmth was forever lost to him - escaping in her last breath, gasped out as she died in his arms - how it must have seemed to him that only darkness and despair, hopelessness and the agony of a broken heart was left. And in that darkness and heart-twisting pain....he could only blindly react. *sniffles* Poor, *poor* distraught, stricken, overwhelmed Ani....no wonder that Yoda felt his pain, such terrible pain, across the bounds of endless space, blazing like a supernova, devastating, consuming, through the Force itself.
Dawn.
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leelee
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I couldn't have said it better myself
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Qui-Dawn
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Oh, pish now. You flatter me....you flatterer. See how I'm blushing? Seriously, though, 'twixt you, me and the proverbial fence-post, I think I'm just rather surprised that I didn't stop by these Chapter by Chapter threads sooner....oh well, at least I'm here *now*, right?
Dawn.
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Tatooine_Fireman
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Good scene. After seeing Tuskens in Star Wars films for so many times, we finally get to see how they live. The two fighting creatures, which were supposed to be on Geonosis, was a nice touch.
I think Hayden acts very well in this scene, but I don't particularly like Shmi just rambling on and on before she dies.
Anakin attacking the Tuskens was perfect, we don't need to see anymore, because the music, and the look on Anakin's face says it all.
I love how the music fades out into a more quiet piece, with Vader's breathing in the background, and how that finally fades into the Imperial Theme.
I was surprised to hear Qui-Gon again. I had no idea he would be in this movie. I never had a problem with his voice.
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