Author Topic: Hayden
GS335 
Registered: Feb '01
22997_Ghosts ROTJ (DVD)
Date Posted: 6/15 9:59pm Subject: RE: Hayden - Date Edited: 6/16 3:47pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
Personally, I think the Hayden bashing has gone far beyond mere constructive criticsm of his acting. Its gotten downright personal. Whenever you have a bunch of immature people going as far as questioning Hayden's manhood, as well as bashing any poster who happens to be a fan of his (i.e., the immature "stupid fangirls" comments made by some boobs I shall keep nameless), it just goes to show how petty and juvenille some fans really are. I've seen disgusting comments about Hayden on this very website by certain posters, which has made me sick. Its just unbelievable when you have a bunch of grown men and women who can be that petty and immature.

If one does not like his acting choices, that's fine. However, I think that attacking Hayden personally and attacking his fans is not only crossing a major line, its just wrong, period. Its immature stuff like that that makes SW fans look bad. And people wonder why Star Wars fanboys (well, fanboys in general) are often not taken very seriously.

Like others, I also think the Hayden bashing is due to the fact that people don't like the Anakin character, and we have some who unfortunately, are just unable to separate the actor from the character. Thats another example of people being way too obsessed over fictional characters and being unable to realise that Hayden, like everyone else, were hired to play a part, and play the parts the way Lucas wanted it to be portrayed.

This is Lucas' story and we all need to accept it and move on.

Strilo edit: Please be very aware that we have a rule here known as the "Fans/Films Rule". In a nutshell, we ask users to avoid posting comments that address the fans and not the films. Let's steer clear of the comments like some of those in this post that are discussing the fans.

 

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DarthDuckie 
Registered: Jan '04
13912_Darth Gonzo
Date Posted: 6/15 10:14pm Subject: RE: Hayden
You're dead right, there's no need to get personal against the guy or those who think he's great. On the other hand, it's quite possible to just not rate the guy that highly as an actor without being an obsessive, or a basher, or just not understanding. Personally, I have nothing against Hayden and I think, based on all the acting of his that I've seen, that he's an adequate actor. Not that good, but not that awful either.

 

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GS335 
Registered: Feb '01
22997_Ghosts ROTJ (DVD)
Date Posted: 6/16 9:08am Subject: RE: Hayden - Date Edited: 6/16 9:11am (3 edits total) Edited By: GS335
I think the main problem is, we just have a bunch of immature adults who just can not separate the actor from the character. Instead of realising that Lucas wanted Hayden to portray Anakin as whiny and impulsive, they bash Hayden as a person, mainly because they hate the character he plays.

Have these people ever thought about the fact that Hayden Christensen and Anakin Skywalker are two different people? Hayden is just an actor playing a part and that's it. Its the same with Ewan and Obi Wan, Ian and Palpatine, Samuel L. Jackson and Mace Windu, etc., etc. People seem to become so damn obsessed with these stupid characters, that they fail to realise that they are not real.

Whenever I see posts calling Hayden "gay" or others bashing other posters who happen to like Hayden as an actor, I think that's taking things too far, because its not just being critical of his acting, its become very personal where Hayden is concerned. Not only is that stuff disgusting, its wrong.

If one does not like Hayden's acting choices, than that's fine. For example, if one may not like him being overdramatic at times or being too wooden, and then suggest how he should've played certain scenes, than that's cool. There's nothing wrong with that. That's constructive criticsm, which is harmless. We all have had that at one point in our lives.

However, I would not hate on Hayden just because one does not like the Anakin character, especially since Anakin is suppose to be portrayed as somewhat likable, but being egotistical, arrogant, whiny, and downright self centered. I wouldn't hate on the actor just because he did not fullfill someone's idealistic, fanboyish view they had of Anakin, as well. Not to mention, I wouldn't hate on anyone who likes the actor, either. I think that stuff is crossing the line.

That's why I feel that the Hayden bashing has gone way too far, because it has. Its become downright personal, and I think that's wrong.

 

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Strilo 
Title: PT Manager
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 6/16 3:49pm Subject: RE: Hayden
Please take the time to re-read this particular rule in the PT forum:

Discuss the films, not the fans who post here. If your comment is directed at a user or a group of users, just don't post it. It could lead to waters that are better left unsailed. Treat your fellow fans with respect, even if you disagree vehemently with them.

 

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anakinandpadmedoomed 
Registered: Jun '07
14907_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 6/17 2:17pm Subject: RE: Hayden
Eta-2 posted:
Vortigern99 posted:
As with Neeson as Q-G, so with Hayden as Anakin: All I see is the character. The first time I watched ROTJ post-ROTS, and I felt like I could see Anakin's face inside the helmet as he's looking back and forth between Palpatine and Luke, I realized the true, resonant effectiveness of Christensen's performance. Conversely, when Hayden speaks in that deep monotone on Mustafar, and if I think about it I can switch out his voice with that of James Earl Jones and perceive the similarities of cadence and tone, once again I realize what Hayden has accomplished.

I think what most people who dislike Hayden are objecting to is the character itself, not the actor portraying the role.


I think you pretty much nailed it. Hayden channels the movement's of Prowse and the voice of JEJ, combining them with the naive innocence of Jake Lloyd, then adds his own flair to it. It's a very masterful performance.




I agree also, Hayden did a wonderful job, putting all the different previous actors performances together to make his own performances work.

 

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GirlJedi 
Registered: Nov '00
18921_Obi-Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: 7/10 9:04pm Subject: RE: Hayden - Date Edited: 7/10 9:08pm (2 edits total) Edited By: GirlJedi
Hello, I recently read a criticism of Hayden's performance in ROTS at another website and since then have wanted to stand up for the guy. I liked his performance in the Star Wars movies very much and think he is a lovely actor. If you watch especially his reunion scene with Padme in ROTS, what he does with his face and reaction is beautiful. It's that troubling, not-sure-what-to-call-it-but-we-all-recognize-it quality of messy feelings, as if he is NOT happy she is pregnant, but is also scared and happy too. We see so brilliantly how he is walking a razor's edge and trying to balance all the tricks he is juggling as Jedi, special pal to Palpatine himself (not bad for an ex-slave boy), secret marriage, war, politics, who he really is... and maybe some niggling voices "you're not really a Jedi" or "you don't belong here with these good people".

And I also really enjoy the discovery scene when he starts circling Palpatine and the camera starts circling them both making it dizzy - like being thrown into a tornado - I've known other fans who really don't like that, but I think it shows how crazy-making the whole thing is for us and for Anakin. How fast his mind is swirling and how much his life is about to reel out of focus, out of balance, out of recognition until he won't be anything like the curious little boy brought before the Jedi Council. The tension that Hayden holds in his body is like a moutain lion ready to pounce, as if so much is going on that his body can't contain his power much longer (and so becomes part machine in the end). He tries to do it all but ends up being little more than a walking black mechanical shell devoid of humanity.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when people get nasty in their criticism it seems so pointless. Perhaps it was necessary to show Vader in the suit in ROTS to have continuity - after all we see the black cape guy in the very beginning of A New Hope. However for the few people in the universe who don't know anything about Star Wars, the shock of "Luke I am your father" will be lost because they will know Anakin became Vader and Anakin was daddy of Luke. The whole performance is not an easy one to take on at all, because Vader is such an icon and I thought Hayden was perfect in the role.

 

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xx_Anakin_xx 
Registered: Jan '08
24221_Anakin and Obi-Wan
Date Posted: 7/10 9:49pm Subject: RE: Hayden
I agree, he did a bang up job. I don't think of him as Hayden, but rather as Anakin. All one loves, admires, hates and criticizes about the character is a commendation to the great job that Hayden did in the role. And Kudos to little Jake too.

 

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Anakins_Kiss 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 7/14 12:13pm Subject: RE: Hayden
I must say I see how easy it is to lock an actor into a character they've portrayed, especially if they portrayed it well. It does become difficult to separate the two. I am sure if we see Mark Hamill in a movie now, we can't help but to think...oh, that's luke.' Sometimes with a franchise as big as Star Wars, which is something that has taken a life of its own, actors can easily be locked in as the characters, in the mind of the viewers. I've seen awake, and jumper and even though the characters are different from Anakin Skywalker, I find something in my mind saying...yeah this was Anakin.

Harrison Ford was Han Solo for many people until he did Indiana Jones. I think if Hayden gets another really great role and pulls it off as well or better than he did Anakin Skywalker, he will be able to put more distance between himself and that character in the minds of viewers. He will also gain more respect too, I think.

 

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