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Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
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Arawn_Fenn
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5/22/07 9:12pm
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Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
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This could be alternately titled: "What did R2 know and when did he know it?"
It has been suggested that, at some point, the story of the SW saga is told to the Whills by R2-D2.
My question is: how much did R2 really know about the saga? He wasn't present for certain crucial scenes ( and we logically wouldn't expect him to be ).
For example: Did R2, in the end, know that Vader was Anakin?
R2 was not at the Jedi Temple when Obi-Wan and Yoda watched the holorecordings.
Also, it does not seem that R2 witnessed much, if anything, of the Mustafar duel... although I don't know the range or power of his photo/audio receptors. At least we know that he is more than a mindless robot, since Anakin's last command to him is to "stay with the ship", and if he had followed that command strictly, he would have spent the entire OT on Mustafar.
Perhaps R2 came to the conclusion that Anakin was killed.
It seems like the only way R2 could have known various things about the saga is if Luke told him at some point ( after ESB ).
I find it notable that, in ROTJ, when Yoda confirms that Vader is Luke's father, R2 is not peeping in the window as in ESB. Instead, he's some distance away, right next to the X-Wing.
This again brings up the issue of how good his "hearing" was, but I find it strange that while R2 is supposed to be telling the SW story to the Whills, from film evidence alone he never found out that Vader was Anakin.
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Yodas_Got_Bed_Head
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5/22/07 10:08pm
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Interesting question, indeed. I haven't read much EU past Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. Looking back at the OT & PT, it seems R2 has seen it all (in my opinion). However, I don't know how he would know Anakin=Vader. Again, great question.
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darth-sinister
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5/22/07 10:42pm
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Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
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5/23/07 5:44am
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I always just assumed that R2 didn't know Anakin was Vader...in the OT.
I figured from what we've seen in the PT that R2 probably knew about "The Jedi's betrayal" because of veranda scene and Anakin's openess with the droid. Like DS said, r2 was on Alderaan when Vader arrived in Dark Lord. He probably could've pieced two and two together. Obi Wan, Yoda and we can assume that Bail heard about Anakin becomming Darth Vader, so Bail probably gave him a good enough hint that Vader was what Anakin became.
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3PO may well have known what happened on Mustafar and could have told R2 before his mind wipe. I like to think that R2 knew everything 
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darth-sinister
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According to Lucas, Artoo knew everything.
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Abomb
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5/23/07 10:56am
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Artoo knew it all. In the Dark Nest Trilogy, he plays holos of Anakin killing padme, rampaging through the temple, etc. He was with Anakin pretty much all the time, and knew pretty much everything.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Abomb posted:
Artoo knew it all. In the Dark Nest Trilogy, he plays holos of Anakin killing padme, rampaging through the temple, etc. He was with Anakin pretty much all the time, and knew pretty much everything.
Holos of Anakin killing Padme? 
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Arawn_Fenn
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darth-sinister posted:
Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
Who or what is the Keeper of the Whills?
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darth-sinister posted:
Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
I dont know if it would be called no longer good but he knew somethin was up
In ROTS he says something to 3P0...and 3P0 says "Well he has been going through stressful times" not an exact quote but from that we can assume R2 was worried bout Anakin
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Judging by the films, R2 doesn't witness anything that would lead him to know about Anakin's transformation. However, also judging by the films we know that R2 is crafty enough to put two and two together. In the immediate aftermath of ROTS he probably deduced what had gone on.
The only thing that doesn't add up is that at some point you would expect that he would have explained what had gone on to 3P0, especially once the two droides had fallen in with Luke, et al.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Threepio might have blurted it out to Luke before he had finished his training.
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Lets just say R2 knew Anakin=Vader=Luke's father, do droids have discretion? I mean, what would stop R2 from telling Luke the truth?
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Arawn_Fenn
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Following Obi-Wan's lead. R2 seems to have more discretion/volition than your average droid.
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morpha2 posted:
Judging by the films, R2 doesn't witness anything that would lead him to know about Anakin's transformation. However, also judging by the films we know that R2 is crafty enough to put two and two together. In the immediate aftermath of ROTS he probably deduced what had gone on.
The only thing that doesn't add up is that at some point you would expect that he would have explained what had gone on to 3P0, especially once the two droides had fallen in with Luke, et al.
3PO had a memory wipe in between the PT and OT, due to his tendency to blab.
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Lazarusrevival
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The only problem is, R2 met up with Luke before Kenobi, so there wasn't a lead to follow.
Of course this is totally an assumption, but R2 knew of the twins and their names, so when he met up with Luke for the first time, I would "assume" he would bleep/say something. UNLESS something/someone held him back.
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