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Nightowl
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5/23/07 5:13pm
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RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
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Artoo's not your average machine - he does have feelings. And compassion.
During the Classic Trilogy era, everything was on the line. Everything depended on Luke successfully becoming a Jedi Knight and defeating Vader and Palpatine. Artoo knew, as Yoda did, that Luke knowing too much about his parents would handicap his training and leave him vulnerable when the final battle came. As it was, it was VERY close. Obi-Wan and Yoda never mentioned Padme to Luke for good reason - a Luke Skywalker knowing that his father (apparently) murdered his mother is a Luke who would have killed the prone handless Vader in the Death Star's throne room without hesitation... and been lost to darkness forever.
And after ROTJ, as related in the Dark Nest Trilogy, Artoo's feelings on Luke and Leia knowing about their father's past sins (and mother) was: "What's the point? They're doing what their parents could not. They're setting things right. They're happy, more or less. They've already suffered so much - why add this unnecessary burden? They're better off not knowing." And so it was, until events conspired to literally rip the information out of the little droid and put it on display for Luke's torment.
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sith_rising
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5/23/07 7:37pm
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I think R2 knows lots of things about lots of people, but, being a droid that was designed to fix hyperdrives and calculate complex hyperspace trajectories, has trouble putting simple humanoid things together. Certainly concepts pertaining to the Jedi, the Sith, and the Force are beyond him. He probably sees things in terms of "friend of my current master" and "enemy of my current master", or, more simply, "fix this thing or I'll get shot again".
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Lazarusrevival
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5/23/07 8:25pm
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NightOwl, I think you are giving R2 a little to much credit when you say a droid has the same foresight as Yoda in regards to Luke's future. Especially when they were fighting over a snickers bar (or whatever that thing was) in ESB.
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5/24/07 7:17am
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morpha2 posted:
Judging by the films, R2 doesn't witness anything that would lead him to know about Anakin's transformation. However, also judging by the films we know that R2 is crafty enough to put two and two together. In the immediate aftermath of ROTS he probably deduced what had gone on.
The only thing that doesn't add up is that at some point you would expect that he would have explained what had gone on to 3P0, especially once the two droides had fallen in with Luke, et al.
That does add up actually. Remember at the end of ROTS where Bail says specifically to give 3po a memory whipe yet says nothing about R2? Plus, R2 is smarter than to re-explain it to 3po.
1. 3po wouldn't believe it seeing as his first memory is being on the Tantive with r2 specifically after ROTS, which means he had no knowledge Anakin or Padme for that matter existed. He wouldn't fall for it, seeing as he's always so skeptical of the droid.
2. Everyone knows 3po and his blabbing. If r2 was to explain it to him shortly after being purchased by the Owens, Luke would've overheard and done the typical 'what's he saying?!' routine, and due to 3po's programming he'd tell Luke.
You see how badly that would shift the OT if Luke flat out knew Vader was his father in ANH and specifically what happened to the galaxy, the jedi and his mother because of his father.
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morpha2
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5/24/07 10:39am
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^^^
Those are good points. I forgot that 3P0 had no knowledge of Anakin after ROTS; no real need for R2 to fill him in.
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sith_rising posted:
I think R2 knows lots of things about lots of people, but, being a droid that was designed to fix hyperdrives and calculate complex hyperspace trajectories, has trouble putting simple humanoid things together. Certainly concepts pertaining to the Jedi, the Sith, and the Force are beyond him. He probably sees things in terms of "friend of my current master" and "enemy of my current master", or, more simply, "fix this thing or I'll get shot again".
I love his quote from the ROTS novel: "SOMETHING'S WRONG. THE FACTORS DON'T BALANCE."
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darth-sinister
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5/24/07 10:51pm
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
darth-sinister posted:
Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
Who or what is the Keeper of the Whills?
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Lazarusrevival posted:
NightOwl, I think you are giving R2 a little to much credit when you say a droid has the same foresight as Yoda in regards to Luke's future. Especially when they were fighting over a snickers bar (or whatever that thing was) in ESB.
Maybe not quite forsight, but Artoo rationalized that Luke would not take this news well and thus tried to keep it under wraps.
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How much does R2 ( in the end ) know about Sidious?
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I always figured Artoo knew Anakin was Vader. That's why Artoo stays away from Vader in every scene.
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Remember that part in ROTS when Anakin comes back from the jedi temple, to see Padme before he goes to Mustafar. Right after he lands on the platform at Padme's place R2 beeps at C3PO and 3PO say's "Hush not so loud!" to R2?
I always wondered what R2 was saying. I think it was certainly something about Anakin and what happened at the Temple.
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No, he's saying "Hey, Threepio, these are some good cheese fries."
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
Following Obi-Wan's lead. R2 seems to have more discretion/volition than your average droid.
I agree. He doesn't do anything unless he's requested/ordered to do so, as well.
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
darth-sinister posted:
Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
Who or what is the Keeper of the Whills?
yes, i would like to know also who or what is the keeper of the whills? and is there a book on it or just a theory? 
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As a droid, I would think Anakins new suit would confuse R2.
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mspadme69 posted:
Arawn_Fenn posted:
darth-sinister posted:
Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
Who or what is the Keeper of the Whills?
yes, i would like to know also who or what is the keeper of the whills? and is there a book on it or just a theory?
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