| Author |
Topic:
Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
MasterLuke83
Registered:
Mar '08
|
Date Posted:
3/2 12:29pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
MistrX posted:
He seemed to suspect something was up after Anakin had left the Temple. I'm guessing (and the EU seems to suppor this) that he at least saw the confrontation between Padme and Anakin on Mustafar and the beginning of the duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan. That would explain why he was at the ship when Obi-Wan returned.
Indeed. Ive noticed this too. Also note when he meets 3PO after the temple massacre, he says something to him that warrants a "shh not so loud" and then "well he is under a lot of stress".
It hit me that R2 was probably saying "Anakins gone nuts!"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Obi-Chron
Registered:
Nov '03
|
Date Posted:
3/2 2:18pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the saga was 'as told' by the droids at some point after ROTJ, ala 3PO's incomplete version on the Endor moon to the Ewoks.
Notice too in that ROTJ scene how R2 is relatively silent -- in hindsight, with the PT now completed, the little guy knows the story runs much deeper and darker than 3PO 'remembers.' Fun topic. 
-----signature-----
“It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure.”
~ Joseph Campbell
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
BigBoy29
Registered:
Dec '04
|
Date Posted:
3/5 11:41pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
^^^
I think many answers to this question can be gleaned by watching this scene .... I'm gonna do it tonite.
-----signature-----
Lando: "She saved me at the Battle of Tannabe".
Han: "Hey remember, I won her fair and square."
Lando: "She was mine before she was yours, she was mine before she was yours ..."
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Tikei-Fore-Tu-Wan
Registered:
Sep '03
|
Date Posted:
4/29 10:36pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
As was mentioned a few posts above, the droids are the "narrators" of the story. Even without Lucas' admission, it seems clear to me that R2 does know everything, and 3PO's main function is to interpret R2's insightful bleeps for the audience. R2's timely comments in each film are akin to Shakespearean "Asides" that give valuable hints to the audience that the cast members "don't hear". While R2 was not physically present at the Temple Massacre, it stands to reason that due to his uh, "inquisitive" nature, he acquired evidence of the event from somewhere.
In response to someone further up the tree that doubts R2's discretionary abilities, I posit this: R2 found the Death Star plans in AOTC, yet "said" nothing about them until the "transmission" was recovered by the Alliance halfway through ANH, some thirty (not sure of the timing, exactly) years later. It's been conclusively proven both in AOTC and ESB (R2 knew that Vader was on Bespin before he revealed himself) that R2 had knowledge of upcoming events that he didn't share with the group.
-----signature-----
"Uhh, had a slight 'Weapons Malfunction'."
"But, uhh, everything is perfectly alright now"
"Uhh, Negative, Negative. We've had a reactor leak here now"
"Large leak, very dangerous"
"Boring conversation anyway" - Han Solo
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
JEDI-RISING
Registered:
Apr '05
|
Date Posted:
4/30 8:13am
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
- Date Edited:
4/30 8:15am (1 edits total)
Edited By:
JEDI-RISING
|
R2 found the Death Star plans in AOTC??
I don't know why people keep saying "Anakin killed Padme" either.
I'm a little puzzled as to how much R2 knew. When Anakin went to save Palpatine from Windu, R2 wasn't with him, or the ship he was using. So how do we know what he saw? On the other hand, that would mean he was somewhere at the Jedi Temple already.
As to Mustafar, he could very well have seen a lot of the confrontation there, but i really don't see how he could know Anakin was Vader. That name is never used during the Mustafar confrontation, and he certainly didn't see Anakin put in the suit later, back on Coruscant.
He certainly did know about Anakin and Padme though. It's just too bad so much EU was written without knowledge of the prequels. It's pretty unbelievable that 30 years would go by before Luke and Leia found out who there mother was.
-----signature-----
"Mostly because of my father i guess"
"Ah, father. Powerful Jedi was he ,mmm, powerful Jedi."
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Indyman
Registered:
Apr '08
|
Date Posted:
4/30 8:58am
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
|
And also, since Artoo and Threepio were always together, and in III, I mean, it's not like Threepio didn't know what was happening toward the end.... Artoo would have figured it out. Certainly he knew.
-----signature-----
May the force be with us all...
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Chiss_Insight
Registered:
Jun '06
|
Date Posted:
4/30 1:56pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
|
I'm sure people could go through and find specific moments where it is impossible that R2 knew the WHOLE saga. However, as a strytelling device, it's fun to have a character that has seen everything and can't talk. At least, not in a language the audience can understand. Great topic!
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
xx_Anakin_xx
Registered:
Jan '08
|
Date Posted:
4/30 2:36pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
Yeah, R2D2 was one of Lucas' favorites - he once said the droid knew everything. But based simply on the movie, I don't know how he would know that Vader was Anakin, there was really no opportunity for him to know. After Mustafar, he gives a sad little whine when Obi-Wan comes out alone as if he believed Obi-Wan had killed Anakin. So I would say the R2 unit was clueless until GL filled him in.  .
Now it is possible that once R2 saw Vader with his own eyes he saw through the outer wrappings of the Vader suit to the man he knew was Anakin and then put everything together. And didn't Luke say right in front of him "why didn't you tell me Vader was my father?" If so, R2 would know because he knew Anakin was Luke's dad, so he'd be in the know from that point onward.
-----signature-----
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I'll do what I must"
"You will try"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Icestar63
Registered:
Nov '05
|
Date Posted:
4/30 7:27pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
|
darth-sinister posted:
Artoo knew that Anakin was no longer good. He was in the Temple, since he is Anakin's personal astromech droid and is with his Jedi Interceptor. He tapped into the holocams in the Temple and saw Anakin killing Jedi, which he recorded. He even saw Anakin kneel before Palpatine and heard him be refered to as Lord Vader. On Alderaan, when Vader was looking for Fang Zar, Artoo had to make sure that Leia was kept away from her father. Later, Artoo heard Luke's half of the conversation with Obi-wan. Years later, after both Skywalker children had passed on, Artoo went to the Keeper of the Whills and told the whole story of the Skywalker clan.
Thanks for the info, I did not know about that. 
-----signature-----
Hi, I come here in peace.
Why so serious?
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Arawn_Fenn
Registered:
Jul '04
|
Date Posted:
5/1 3:14pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
- Date Edited:
5/1 3:20pm (2 edits total)
Edited By:
Arawn_Fenn
|
Tikei-Fore-Tu-Wan posted:
In response to someone further up the tree that doubts R2's discretionary abilities, I posit this: R2 found the Death Star plans in AOTC, yet "said" nothing about them until the "transmission" was recovered by the Alliance halfway through ANH, some thirty (not sure of the timing, exactly) years later. It's been conclusively proven both in AOTC and ESB (R2 knew that Vader was on Bespin before he revealed himself) that R2 had knowledge of upcoming events that he didn't share with the group.
We don't know conclusively that R2 could access the Ultimate Weapon plans just from plugging in to a terminal in the droid factory.
And as far as R2 knowing that Vader was on Bespin, all we have to go on is this:
TESBScript posted:
Artoo whistles another worried inquiry.
Which isn't translated.
-----signature-----
The world will look up and shout, "Save us." And I'll whisper: "No". - Rorschach
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
DantSolo
Registered:
Dec '00
|
Date Posted:
5/2 5:33pm
Subject:
RE: Did R2 know that Vader was Anakin?
- Date Edited:
5/2 5:37pm (1 edits total)
Edited By:
DantSolo
|
I always assumed Artoo knew everything but that he just didn't get involved in humans' personal lives. Telling Luke about Vader would have been overstepping his boundaries, so to speak. He's there to help with technical stuff, not their interactions.
EDIT: Also, it is very possible that Artoo overheard conversation between Yoda, Obi Wan and Bail. The humans often talked as if Artoo wasn't there. So who knows what information he was privy to?
-----signature-----
Check out my Han & Leia fanfic site: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/TranquilityStars/ Pandas...Posying....Passion...WHEE!!!
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
