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Does anyone else get rankled hearing the PT actors disparage the trilogy?
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zombie
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12/11/07 6:35am
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Jumpman posted:
zombie,
The only, small problem with the actual scripts were parts of the dialogue. The plotting of the Prequels is not the issue, at all.
Thats an opinion, and one that the objectors in discussion dont at all necessarily share. If we use the negative critic reaction as a parallel then it seems many people felt the plotting was clunky, undramatic, and convoluted as well.
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battlewars
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Its actually strange that anyone would want to risk there careers on Star Wars in the first place if you think about it. Just look at Mark Hamill in the OT for a good example.
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Master_Starwalker
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True, but then look at Harrison Ford.
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battlewars
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Ford played a cool character, doesn't count.
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LordVader66
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Jumpman posted:
zombie,
The only, small problem with the actual scripts were parts of the dialogue. The plotting of the Prequels is not the issue, at all.
I disagree. The dialogue is awful, but so is the plotting. There wasn't enough plot in TPM, which Lucas freely admits, and can be found in Zombie's the Secret History of Star Wars. Also IMHO, the same thing is wrong with AotC, and RotS had some much going on that some it it could have found it's way into AotC. The pace was off, I think. Lucas isn't a good writer, or even an average one. He's awful. It's much more than just the dialogue.
battlewars posted:
Its actually strange that anyone would want to risk there careers on Star Wars in the first place if you think about it. Just look at Mark Hamill in the OT for a good example.
The only reason anyone knows about Mark Hamill is because of Star Wars, what makes you think that we would have heard of him if he hadn't done Star Wars? The only thing you can argue about Star Wars is that's probably going to be the role your remembered for. With the exception of Harrison Ford who's role of Indiana Jones would rival (maybe surpass even) the role of Han Solo, these actors with firstly be associated with Star Wars. From the pt, I think Ewan Mcgregor, and Natalie Portman have the opportunity to have enough quality roles to the point where you say there names and the first thing isn't "Obiwan" or "Padme". Since Liam Neeson was only in TPM, I don't think Star Wars is going to stick with him that bad. But I think Hayden Christensen is screwed big time. He might be the next Mark Hamill. He's starred in a few other movies, and he's a pretty good actor, but personally, I'm always going to see that guy as Anakin Skywalker. Star Wars is a double edged sword. It can give you a boast as a young actor, but you can easily be consumed by that role (carrie fisher, mark hamill, ian mcdirmid).
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Master_Starwalker
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I hardly consider Mark Hamill's career a bad one given that while his face is immediately associated with Luke Skywalker, he's done a lot of voice-acting work. It doesn't give the same exposure, but from everything I've heard he's happy doing that with his life.
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SithStarSlayer
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Mark and Carrie got pigeon-holed because of Star Wars. He can say what he wants, but what have they done film wise since then? Nada. Zip. He may be happy and content w/ his life, but I bet the truth about his career is deeper than that.
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I agree, LordVader66... Lucas couldn't write a "thank you" card, let alone a script and the dialogue that goes with.
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Vortigern99
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SithStarSlayer posted:
Mark and Carrie got pigeon-holed because of Star Wars. He can say what he wants, but what have they done film wise since then? Nada. Zip. He may be happy and content w/ his life, but I bet the truth about his career is deeper than that.
That just isn't true. You may consider Fisher and Hammil's projects since ROTJ to be worthless, but they have certainly had work in film. Just off the top of my head, Fisher has been in The Suburbs and The Man with One Red Shoe, both with Tom Hanks, and also Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters, not to mention writing the book that became the excellent Postcards from the Edge. Hammil was in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back and did the voice of the Joker in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, among other television projects which have gained him quite a bit of notoriety beyond STAR WARS.
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zombie
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Well, Fisher and Hamill are very successful--but there validity in the criticism. They are not successful as actors. Yeah, Fisher did some small roles and cameos, and Hamill did that stupid Guyver and a bunch of voice-roles--but these are concessions. This is not what they planned or necessarily wanted, simply the best that they could get--in 1977 they had much grander ambitions to continue acting in major roles in major films and being successful as actors, but that goal was never realised, and the reason they drifted elsewhere was because by the mid-80's it was pretty clear that their film career as actors was pretty much over. But Fisher's a great writer, and Hamill's had all kinds of cool stuff, from his comic book to his voice-work, so its not like its bad, but when people say "their careers bombed", thats exactly what happened--the stuff they did since then is, in a very real sense, a different career.
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Master_Starwalker
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Carrie Fisher definitely is doing an entirely different career, though she's been very successful at it. Mark's on the other hand isn't all that different other than in terms of exposure. The craft of it isn't horribly different and given that he apparently physically acts out much of the stuff while he records the voice overs he's using largely the same skills. I'm not saying that back in '77 he didn't want to become a massive star, just that I think saying his career bombed isn't quite accurate as at least imo that depicts his career as being as over as Gary Coleman's when he's still getting work on a regular basis.
I can see your point though, he didn't become the massive movie star he could have been.
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zombie posted:
Well, Fisher and Hamill are very successful--but there validity in the criticism. They are not successful as actors. Yeah, Fisher did some small roles and cameos, and Hamill did that stupid Guyver and a bunch of voice-roles--but these are concessions. This is not what they planned or necessarily wanted, simply the best that they could get--in 1977 they had much grander ambitions to continue acting in major roles in major films and being successful as actors, but that goal was never realised, and the reason they drifted elsewhere was because by the mid-80's it was pretty clear that their film career as actors was pretty much over. But Fisher's a great writer, and Hamill's had all kinds of cool stuff, from his comic book to his voice-work, so its not like its bad, but when people say "their careers bombed", thats exactly what happened--the stuff they did since then is, in a very real sense, a different career.
Bingo. I love them both, but neither has done anything of merit when it comes to staring in a different motion-picture. Hence, my comment about them getting pigeon-holed. Carrie washed out of hollywood, save for the cameos and became a writer. As for Mark? His career in the comic industry has been great, but it ain't the movies either.
Vortigern99 posted:
That just isn't true. You may consider Fisher and Hammil's projects since ROTJ to be worthless, but they have certainly had work in film. Just off the top of my head, Fisher has been in The Suburbs and The Man with One Red Shoe, both with Tom Hanks, and also Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters, not to mention writing the book that became the excellent Postcards from the Edge. Hammil was in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back and did the voice of the Joker in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, among other television projects which have gained him quite a bit of notoriety beyond STAR WARS.
I didn't say they were worthless, I said that their career's didn't turn out how they intended, despite what they have said. The Joker wouldn't be the Joker without Hamill... I'd call that successful, but it ain't the same as staring in a movie.
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CuppaJoe
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SithStarSlayer posted:
You have been on fire lately!! Well, save for that last part about Spielberg. 
I'm still miffed he got Lucas to alter and mess-up parts of ROTS. 
And what did he mess up?
Ewan may have been disappointed with the finished films and process of making them, but this short clip really raised my spirits. http://youtube.com/watch?v=sPXd2kEu1FU
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This one is even better, hah ! It's called ''Ewan McGregor learns the title of Star Wars Ep II'':
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iwL8wlBMflA
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CuppaJoe
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Yes, I've seen that one, haha. But who wouldn't react that way?
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Well on BBC Ewan said he loved being in Star Wars, so he likely just didn't like having to do stuff that was fake - which can be tedious. Anyway Star Wars made him very popular. When my friends and I speak of him in other movies, we always say, 'oh, Obi-Wan is in that' - none of us call him by his proper name. To be honest, I am not certain that all of my friends would know who I was talking about if I called him Ewan McGregor.
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