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Master_Starwalker
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9/13/07 10:52pm
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Lies.
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darth-sinister
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9/13/07 11:05pm
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Shenanigans. 
But seriously, there's a wide variety of fans for all three PT films. Same with the OT.
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Alpha-Red
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LordVader66 posted:
I understand where these actors are coming from. Lucas isn't a good director or writer. These actors sign up for these roles because of the great exposure they get, but it can't be fun making these films.
So if Lucas is such a horrible director and writer, why doesn't he just jot down an outline and let someone else do the writing and directing? He could've just been the producer. Watching the trailers for the PT (yes I bring this up a lot) I still feel like the films could have and should have been something epic....it's just that there wasn't much content or character development in the final product.
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starwarsagent
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I doubt this has any truth to it, but if it does. ewan is an ungrateful person and should be ashamed to be an actor
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SithStarSlayer
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Alpha-Red posted:
LordVader66 posted:
I understand where these actors are coming from. Lucas isn't a good director or writer. These actors sign up for these roles because of the great exposure they get, but it can't be fun making these films.
So if Lucas is such a horrible director and writer, why doesn't he just jot down an outline and let someone else do the writing and directing? He could've just been the producer. Watching the trailers for the PT (yes I bring this up a lot) I still feel like the films could have and should have been something epic....it's just that there wasn't much content or character development in the final product.
I'll tell you why he DIDN'T Alpha... PRIDE. It was his story and he told it how he wanted to. Was it fun to watch? Absolutely. Was it well thought-out, and well-written? Heavens no. Lucas wanted Vader's story to be the story, and that is where he failed. StarWars was never intended to be all about Vader. But Lucas saw the dinero that Vader could bring him, and like every savy business-man, he capitalized on the opportunity. The result of his GREED is that the story comes across disjointed and choppy... all for a good reason. That's exactly how it was written.
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darth-sinister
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starwarsagent posted:
I doubt this has any truth to it, but if it does. ewan is an ungrateful person and should be ashamed to be an actor
Assuming this is true, for a moment, why should he be ashamed? So he didn't like the films. Big deal. A lot of actors don't like all of the films they've done. George Clooney hates his turn as Batman and the Killer Tomatoes film. Mariska Hargety (sp) would probably rather forget she did "Freddy's Nightmares". The Govenator would probably rather forget that he did the two Hercules films and "Red Sonja". A lot of actors have films that they'd rather forget existed. Ford has talked smack as much as he said that he was glad for the opportunity it opened for him.
And how does that make him ungrateful? He already had work before he signed on. Work that he is proud of.
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Master_Starwalker
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9/26/07 10:33pm
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starwarsagent posted:
I doubt this has any truth to it, but if it does. ewan is an ungrateful person and should be ashamed to be an actor
Yeah, I guess Sir Alec Guinness should have been ashamed as well. Oscar nominee? Psh, you're ashamed of a single role.
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BobaFrank
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GL is a great director, THX-1138, American Grafitti, SW/ANH, SW/TPM, SW,ROTS. Who cares what actors say. Hell, Harrison Ford has said bad things about SW and Indy for years but he also acknowledges the fact that w/out them he wouldn't have had the success he did. Sorry forgot about AG as well.
AG and SW/ANH are in AFI's 100 greatest movies of all-time. Has to say something for his directing skills.
Now, having said that, I think GL is still better at inventing stories, and Producing. Not bad as an editor. In the business he's been called a "super-editor." GL, by HF's words, said "GL knows what he wants and it's all right there in the script, but sometimes he has a hard time conveying it the way he see's it on screen." Still, considering he has changed the way Hollywood does movies, and how merchandising took it's que from SW/ANH, GL hasn't done bad.
Sorry for the tangent, but I really don't take any actor's perspective too seriously when critisizing SW. They accepted the role and all that encompasses that. Don't bite the hand that feeds you IMO.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon
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9/26/07 11:34pm
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BobaFrank posted:
GL is a great director, THX-1138, American Grafitti, SW/ANH, SW/TPM, SW,ROTS. Who cares what actors say. Hell, Harrison Ford has said bad things about SW and Indy for years but he also acknowledges the fact that w/out them he wouldn't have had the success he did. Sorry forgot about AG as well.
AG and SW/ANH are in AFI's 100 greatest movies of all-time. Has to say something for his directing skills when he has to answer to others and isn't surrounded by yes-men.
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Indeed. The Crown-Jewel of the saga is ESB. Lawrence, Marcia and Irv gave that film a depth and quality that was equal to Lucas' razzle dazzle. He should have stuck with the original plan of having a different director for each movie, or in the very least left the ESB crew intact.
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darth-sinister
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People accuse Lucas of having yes men, but do they have any proof of this?
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NelanisGhost
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As an Aries myself I can appreciate the way you can put your foot in your mouth. I believe his criticism is self directed. He thinks HE should have done a better job. He loves his costars and was great and a friend to all of them and likes George. He says his performace was god awful. Which is wasn't at all. He did a good job. Obi-wan is repressed. There was no way to make him unpretentious.
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"He said the favourite movie he'd done was Trainspotting and the one he liked least was Star Wars."
This is the only direct quote in the article. The rest is the writer of the article's interpretation of that quote and possibly of other things Ewan may have said (or not). It should be remembered that most actors when talking about their favourite and least favourite films are talking about whether they enjoyed the process of making it, not the artistic achievement. Many actors don't like to watch films they've made as they know too much about how things were done. The illusion is broken for them.
The only quote directly from Ewan doesn't say that he thinks it was a bad film(s). It was his least favourite, which ties in with his previous comments about how fustrating he found the green screen work. Nothing new here, mountain out of a moleill.
I thought Ewan was great as Obi Wan.
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9/30/07 10:17am
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The problem for actors with Star Wars is that it is such a unique phenomenon which everybody knows about, but it goes in directions that few people understand or at least are not mainstream by any stretch. There is alot of semi-esoteric didactic lore in Star Wars, especially in the prequel trilogy, which are just not common place conversational pieces in regular life. So alot of it seems to be cheesy on the surface to many people.
GL and Starwars are victims of their own success in this regard, cause as he has said a few times, he's amazed that stuff he likes has had such universal appeal, well not completely as he has mined some pretty universal sources as his inspiration. The average movie goer sees Star Wars, mayby a couple of times and it's a case of been there done that, what's the next tourist sight to check out type of thing. And because most people don't really get it, there is the whole issue of actors being stigmatised with a "cheesy, blue scren effects ridden, completely commercial toy commercial, they just did it for the money type putdown".
Star wars is actually more art, less product than the majority of stuff that gets made and it doesn't really compromise itself, especially the prequel trilogy but like anything that has such huge popularity, it's the easy to relate to stuff that gets the most attention. So the actors have all this highly visible stuff going on that is not the rule in their industry, an industry which can be known for being utterly pretentious, so they may lash out from time to time.
Star Wars is it's own thing, has it's own particular magic and it is some of the differences listed above that can be hard for the average person, actors included, to come to grips with.
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Jedi_of_Valor
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Regardless of what the actors think, I believe they did a wonderful job at portraying their characters. Also, if they did so terrible at the PT, why don't they blame themselves?
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