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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR
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3/11 4:33pm
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Ashron_Ket posted:
Wow. You don't know a whole lot about Star Wars, do you?
Ok, here's a MOVIE date timeline.
32 BBY- The Phantom Menace
22 BBY- Attack of The Clones
19 BBY- Revenge of The Sith (Luke + Leia = Born)
0 BBY/ABY- A New Hope
3 ABY- The Empire Strikes Back
4 ABY- Return of The Jedi
We get this information from various sources, including the books, George Lucas, and other people from Lucas Film, authors, etc.
According to the Star Wars novels, Luke was twice the age of the ten year old water vaporator in ANH, and three years later he was 23 years old in TESB. That's where I got my info, so where did 19 and 22 come from?
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Pikaroth
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It's an interesting topic and could, and probably will, be discussed "forever." As what is given to us in the films and the films only, to me, it seems that he is vastly older than most of the responses here give him to be. When I watch the films, by the time of Revenge of the Sith, he is actually revealing his true face when fighting Mace. He is not truly "scarred and deformed," as he later claims. Some "film proof" for this is the very fact that he gets up after it is done and walks around like nothing at all happened to him, not very likely if he really was being damaged by his lightning.
Also, his story to Anakin about Darth Plagueis the Wise seems to be completely true, and I do believe he was Plagueis' apprentice, but I also believe the story is *old*. How old? I don't know for sure, but probably a few hundred years or so. Something of a story the Jedi might tell their, uhm, 'children,' so to speak. His true appearance is, of course, due to his perverted use of the Force combined with his age.
Again, all of this is, really, just a personal choice when watching the films. In no way, shape, or form will anyone here convince me he is in his 50s, 60s, 70s, etc. in the films, but, then again, I really don't think I'm going to convince someone the other way, either. I just like to think that when he says to Yoda, "I have waited a long time for this moment, my little, green friend," he really does mean a *long* time, not just a few decades.
To each his or her own, though.
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Arawn_Fenn
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I agree with Dark Lord that "his disfigurements were really nothing new", but I also believe Darth Plagueis to have been still alive around 42 BBY or so... 
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Ashron_Ket
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Well, the official Star Wars timeline says that the Empire's beginning, Luke and Leia's birth, and Padme's death at 19 BBY. Luke was NOT 20 in ANH. He was 19. But you could of course round his age to 20 very easily. But still, he was 19. 19 BBY is the OFFICIAL date. Look it up.
AOTC was also said to take place ten years after the events of TPM. And ROTS was said to have taken place 3 years after THOSE events. The dates were made official by the novels, movies, scripts, GL himself, people at LFL, the New Essential Chronology, etc.
You now have your dates.
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AnakinSucks
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In Stover's novel I got the impression that Palpatine's age was not set and that he could have been as ancient as Yoda (well, not quite but still incredibly old).
Probably just the guy's OTT writing style.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Do you have any specific quotes in mind?
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SoonerSean
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Slightly off topic maybe... but I always thought from ROTJ that he was just old and nasty from using the dark side... that it was rotting him from within. So to see him in the PT as a healthy looking older dude was really disappointing... or at least it was when we were told that the sith lightening is what made him look so nasty. I was really hoping come ROTS that we were going to see that he actually looked the way he did in ROTJ and had been "hiding" it all along.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Uh... that's what happened, actually ( depending on who you ask ). 
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AnakinSucks
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
Do you have any specific quotes in mind?
Nope.
Been a while.
He does compare him to Yoda at least once though (it was his smile).
Bah - it may just be me and my imagination.
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Pikaroth
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SoonerSean posted:
I was really hoping come ROTS that we were going to see that he actually looked the way he did in ROTJ and had been "hiding" it all along.
Of course, to many of us (maybe even most), that is exactly what we DID see. I will always watch the films, as I said in my previous post, and see it that that is his true appearance. Again, if he was truly "scarred and deformed," I seriously doubt he would just stand up and walk around like nothing happened. Plus, the lightning also turned his eyes yellow? No, I don't buy it for a second. On top of that, it makes Yoda's quote from Clones more meaningful, "Hard to see, the Dark Side is."
Also, before I even say this, I want it known that I do NOT have this in front of me, nor do I have access to it due to having gotten rid of all my old magazines and such awhile ago, but I could have sworn that there was an interview with Iam McDiarmid where he said the Emperor was vastly older than most people thought. Does anyone have this or know what I'm talking about? If not, that's cool, but I could have sworn I read that.
Still, by what we're shown on screen and on screen only, I feel it safe to say that that is his true face and he is older (at least hundreds of years) than most know.
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Darthbane2007
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What I want to know is, how is it that he looks young in TPM, look VERY old and wrinkly during AOTC, then in ROTS, apparently back looking somewhat younger? In my opinion, he should have looked old and wrinkly in ROTS, and kept his ROTS appearence for AOTC.
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Ashron_Ket
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Hm... I thought he looked his age fairly well. There IS a ten year gap between TPM and ATOC, though. Well, to me it looks like he showed his age the right way, and how he should, considering he was fairly old even in TPM. And for ROTS, eh... I think he looked right, since there's only a three years gap there. But, I didn't really think he exactly looked "young again." Lol.
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Chiss_Insight
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I was going to start a new thread, but this seems like an appropriate place for this:
Does the look of ROTS Palpatine work for you all out there? I'm talking about post-Mace/force lightning Palps. I realize that the decades go by in between ROTS and ROTJ, but I just think that ROTS Palps looks nothing like the ROTJ Palps I grew up with. Was this supposed to be from aging? His look works more for me in certain ROTS scenes than others. Right after his fight with Mace and the naming of Vader, when Palps puts his hood on, okay. It's the Emperor. When Palps is fighting Yoda, to me, he looks NOTHING like the Emperor. Again, I stipulate that the decades go by in between trilogies. Does anyone else out ther see what I mean? Am I just flat out wrong? Is this an error that was made in production design when it came time to unvail the Emperor circa ROTS? I am really curious if I am the only person out there that feels that way.
Also, I was also of the belief that the Emperor sucked the life out of bodies and jumped from clone to clone, until ROTS. I always figured that he was at the end of the line for the body that he was inhabiting when we caught up with him in ROTJ. I always thought of him as ageless, until Anakin finally wised up and dropped him down that shaft. Just as an aside, (and you may not give and credit to the EU) but there's a great passage in one of the Hier to the Empire books where Leia flies through the spot where Palpatine died and she passes out from the dark side energy that remains there. I always thought that was a testament to how strong Palps was and just how long he had been alive, before Anakin's return.
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Ashron_Ket
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Hm... I'm not exactly sure what you mean. But I think the Palps from 3 and 5 worked fine. But, I think the Palps from 6 looked way too old compared to the Palps in 3 and 5.
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SoonerSean
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There was an interview where he said that we finally got to see how Palps had looked all along... but hasn't GL and others been adamant that the lightening changed his appearance? I always view it that he really did look that way and had been masking it (which I agree would be hard to do... so I think of it more as the REAL Palpatine finally came forth from within vs. the fact that he fooled everyone all that time with a fake appearance).
As for how he looks... I think he looks rather fat after his fight with Mace... his neck is huge. Obviously it's the make-up appliance. However, what's odd is that's exactly how he looks in the cut-in in the new edition of ESB which is really just months before we see him next in ROTJ. Those two appearances are quite dissimilar for such a short span of time.
That said... I love the nasty saggy rotten look he's got in ROTJ. He just drips venom.
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