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Katana_Geldar
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11/22/07 8:46pm
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RE: A few questions regarding Palpatine
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They re-filmed the scene didn't they? The first one they had Anakin coming in with the other Jedi, by changing it to having hiom come in at the last minute shows something.
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Darth_Davi
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Darth Dane posted:
Qui-Gon Jinn, says to Anakin's mother that if he had been born in the republic he would have been identified early.
Why wasn't Palpatine identified as a child, didn't he come from Naboo?
I have always wondered about this too. I am not bothered by the line of thinking that says Palpatine may not have been born on Naboo...but, considering there were, at best, two Sith in a galaxy of trillions (I say two, because I don't know if Plagueis had an apprentice prior to discovering Palpatine or not) finding a Force sensitive baby before the Jedi, which, had an infrastructure in place for 4,000 years to find eligible babies, it seems to me that either Darth Plagueis was either the luckiest Sith Lord ever in being able to find Palpatine at all, like trying to find a needle in a haystack that is as big as a square mile, or, there was something most sinister at play. Maybe Plagueis had a baby farm hidden somewhere, just hoping that one special baby shows up, and then destroys all of his evidence once he finds him, perhaps he had spies all over the galaxy, or something else that could logically explain how in the hell a Sith Lord could possibly find a Force baby before the Jedi do.
It just seems incredibly unlikely that a solitary Sith Lord would have been able to find a Force sensitive baby not claimed by the Jedi at all. Palpatine's midichlorian count would have been what it was. If the Jedi rejected him as a candidate, then his midi count would have to have been below their lowest standards, in which case, he never would have been a viable Sith candidate either. So, I reject that his powers bloomed later in life, because that is contrary to the films. Nobody is a full Force user at birth, but the midichlorians tell us how strong a potential they have. Even though he didn't really begin to develop his abilities until he was 19, Luke had the potential to be a great Jedi from the day he was born. Being as strong in the Force as he was, Palpatine could not have simply been rejected by the Jedi. He had to have never been tested at all. If he wasn't tested, he probably was born on the Outer Rim, and somehow ended up on Naboo. So, how did Plagueis find Palpatine, exactly? That is the question I have. It just seems incredibly far fetched, based on the information we have.
SithStarSlayer posted:
And the list of Force Sensitive character's are:
Adas
Sar Agorn
Bodo Baas
Darth Bane
Zayne Carrick
Sigel Dare
Antares Draco
Kyp Durron
Roan Fel
Guri
Qui-Gon Jinn
Kaan
Darth Krayt
Ludo Kressh
Lumiya
Darth Malak
Onimi
Leia Organa Solo
Darth Plagueis
Palpatine
Marka Ragnos
Revan
Darth Ruin
Naga Sadow
Anakin Skywalker
Luke Skywalker
Shmi Skywalker
Jacen Solo
Jaina Solo
Streen
Darth Talon
Raana Tey
Mace Windu
Xendor
Yoda
I will be extremely put-out if no new info is revealed, especially for the Bolded ones.
This list isn't intended to be comprehensive, is it? There are numerous names missing, including some main characters. It lists Xendor, but not Obi-Wan Kenobi? It lists Shmi Skywalker, but not Mara Jade Skywalker? It lists Revan, but not Kyle Katarn? For that matter, where is Darth Maul and Darth Tyranus? Since some big names have been excluded, including names from the films, and not EU, I am assuming that its just a sampling of Force sensitives, and not a definitive list.
And, wasn't Guri Prince Xixor's multimillion dollar android? How could she be Force sensitive? Is there another SW character named Guri?
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SithStarSlayer
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Part One: History and Holocrons
The Holocrons
The Tedryn Holocron
The Asli Krimsan Holocron
The Great Holocron
The Telos Holocron and Darth Andeddu's Holocron
Significant Battles
The Hundred Year Darkness
The Great Hyperspace War
The Shadow of Freedon Nadd
The Sith War
The Second Sith War
Darth Ruin
Battle of Ruusan
Return of the Sith
The Battle of Geonosis
The Clone Wars
The Galactic Civil War
The Demise of Emperor Palpatine
The Resurrection of Exar Kun
The Yuuzhan Vong
Luke Skywalker vs. Lumiya: First Encounter
Luke Skywalker vs. Lumiya: Final Duel
Part Two: The Jedi
Jedi Evolution
The Force and its Mythic Origins
Early Jedi
Jedi Knights of the Old Republic
The Potentium Perspective
The Lost
The Dark Times
The Jedi Academy
The New Jedi Order
Force Sensitive Abilities
Sense Powers
Telepathy
Affect Mind/Jedi mind trick
Telekinesis
Force Leap
Burst of Speed
Healing
Healing Trance
Farsight
Psychometry
Force Camouflage
Battlemind
Battle Meditation
Battle Meld
Malacia
Sever Force
Beast Language
Morichro
Force Lightning
Jedi Spirits
Detecting Jedi Powers
The Force as a Source of Energy
Force Anomalies
Lightsabers
Lightsaber Construction
Improvised Lighsabers
Archaic Lightsabers
Waterproof Lightsabers
Training Lightsabers
Dual Phase Lightsabers
Illustrious Lightsabers
Sith Lightsabers
The Seven Forms
Vaapad
The Marks of Contact
On Winning and Losing
Part Three: The Dark Side
Dark Jedi
The First Dark Legion
Ulic Qel-Droma's Return to the Light
Four stages of the Dark Side
The Reformation of Revan
The Dark Jedi Conflict
The Conversion of Count Dooku
Dark Side Disciples
Imperial Inquisitors
The Emperor's Hands
Under Exar Kun's Influence
Luke Skywalker on the Dark Side
Part Four: The Sith
The Darth Title
Gatekeeper of the Telos Holocron
The Conquest of Sith Space
The Sith Code
Sith Worlds
The Fall of the Sith Empire
Darth Revan's Sith Holocron
The Rule of Two
On Selecting Apprentices
The Confession of Darth Tyranus
Sith Alchemy
Sith Weapons
Force Lightning
Sith Spirits
Immortality through Cloning
The Dark Side Compendium
The Book of Anger
The Weakness of Inferiors
The Creation of Monsters
Part Five: Other Force Using Traditions
Followers of Palawa
Sorcerers of Tund
Baran Do Sages
Mecrosa Order
The Krath
Ysanna
Prophets of the Dark Side
Zeison Sha
Jensaarai
Korunnai
Aing-Tii
Matukai
Force Witches
The Reborn
Disciples of Ragnos
Shadow Academy
Fallanassi
Part Six: The Chosen One
Tattoine Childhood
Podracer Champion
Arrival at the Jedi Temple
Jedi Training
First Mission
Return to Tatooine
Forbidden Love
Darth Vader
Afterword
--That was the layout of the book acording to Wookieepedia.
Here is the Publisher's summary:
Publisher's Summary
The Ultimate Guide to the Absolute Power at the Heart of the Star Wars Galaxy
The Force, in the immortal words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, "surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together." The fortunate few who are table to tap into this extraordinary power have studied and cultivated the full spectrum of its potential - either embracing its virtuous qualities or succumbing to its evil temptations. The Jedi seek to bring peace and englightenment to the galaxy, while the Sith hunger only for conquest and control.
This comprehensive one-of-a-kind overview chronicles the known history of the Force and its wielders down through the ages, from the founding tenents of Jedi and Sith teachings to the landmark events and legendary figures that have shaped the struggle between the light and dark sides. In firsthand accounts by Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa Solo, Darth Bane, Darth Vader, Count Dooku, Emperor Palpatine, and a host of other Jedi Masters, Sith Lords, scholars and sages, Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force spans the breadth of available knowledge, including
The first recorded discovery of the Force
Significant battles affected by the Force throughout galactic history
the purpose, construction, and importance of Holocrons
the evolution of the Jedi and Sith orders
Force sensitive abilities - including battle meditation, telekinesis and "Mind Tricks"
A vivid portrayal of the Chosen One, Anakin Skywalker
PLUS - More than one hundred brand-new full color illustrations!
No Star Wars library is complete without this definitive guide to understanding the Force. Remember: The Force will be with you...always.
So at this point... I have no idea. The reviews have been mixed, I already have most of the artwork and it is spectacular, but that isn't what I'm after... I'm gonna peruse it thoroughly, before I decide to buy it.
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Master_Starwalker
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I'm going to buy it largely for the art but if all you want is the raw data you could wait for awhile as it will eventually find it's way onto Wookieepedia, though I want to read the original source.
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All I'm saying is for it to be considered a first rate publication, it needs to contain more information on the specific characters than we already know. Otherwise, just sell us another art book.
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I'm thinking it's going to deal more with the various philosophies towards the Force than the characters.
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As told by the characters' narratives.
Mixed reviews thus far. I'll know this week. 
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I'm hoping we learn more of Dooku's belief in drawing equally upon the Light and Dark Sides being the way to achieve balance.
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SithStarSlayer posted:
All I'm saying is for it to be considered a first rate publication, it needs to contain more information on the specific characters than we already know. Otherwise, just sell us another art book.
Why would it need to contain that at all? The characters that use the Force are minute when compared to the Force itself, so a book that delves into the Force alone is worth it just with knowing that fact. However, they do delve into characters, and it is a great book, and it is narrated by Tionne Solusar. Like I said though if you are looking for a facts book then this isn't for you. However for once I wish people would get over the need to know everything and just enjoy a book that is pure philosophy with very little facts.
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LordVader66 posted:
Many believe Lucas settled it in his RotS commentary, when he says "This is where Mace, uh, overpowers the Chancellor". To me it's a bit ambigous because he doesn't really say anything. He doesn't say, "this is where Mace legitmately overpowers Chancellor Palpatine".
He shouldn't have to say "legitimately". That's ridiculous. I guess "he doesn't really say anything" just means that you don't agree with what he's saying.
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It is also possible that he was born on a remote planet and discovered but the jedi refused to train him because he was already too old. He ran away, was discovered by the Sith, learned to alter his appearance and suppress his power so he could not be sensed by other jedi.
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PerfectCell posted:
SithStarSlayer posted:
All I'm saying is for it to be considered a first rate publication, it needs to contain more information on the specific characters than we already know. Otherwise, just sell us another art book.
Why would it need to contain that at all?
Because without new information, its nothing more than a bunch of new pictures. PerfectCell posted:
The characters that use the Force are minute when compared to the Force itself, so a book that delves into the Force alone is worth it just with knowing that fact.
Yet the story is told from their POV's, no? And since perception shapes reality, much of what they state to be fact, can actually be just their opinion... the Force as seen through their eyes. I like the concept, I hope it doesn't disappoint.PerfectCell posted:
However, they do delve into characters, and it is a great book, and it is narrated by Tionne Solusar. Like I said though if you are looking for a facts book then this isn't for you.
Not looking for facts per se', just looking for new info... because redundancy really annoys me.
PerfectCell posted:
However for once I wish people would get over the need to know everything and just enjoy a book that is pure philosophy with very little facts.
Me too.
Besides, who wants to know everything?
I just want to know more about Plagueis...
I want to know HIS philosophy regarding the Force.
I want to know what shoe he put on first.
If he cracked his knuckles...
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^^^
. . . did he ever Muun anyone?
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Exactamundo!
Did he ever toot and say: "The dark side of the fart..."  ??
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Let's hope not. 
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