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drg4
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2/21 7:42pm
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SithStarSlayer posted:
Doodling = milking us for millions.
He knew he could throw crap to the wall and bait with hopes of catching a glimpse of Vaderness. We got 45 minutes worth of decent stuff in 3 movies. Good job.
Oh please. Lucas bilked you out of $7 for each film. Why would any sensible human being fork over more income for repeat viewings/DVDs of movies they didn't even like?
Guess what? I think Return of the Jedi sucked. Know what I did in '06? I only bought the two OT flicks I'd actually watch. Saved me ten dollars.
SithStarSlayer posted:
Now, with the "new movie" the joke is really on us.
I love it.
Then don't watch the bloody thing--I'm not. No one's holding a gun to your head. Give the money to the Food Bank instead. You might do some good.
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DARTH-SMELLY-FEET
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Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
As far as there being "filler" in the prequels, I ask you to give me an example of such.
Pod Race.
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The Pod Race kicked ass.SoonerSean posted:
Lucas himself has said that when he sat down to write the PT he realized he didn't have enough story for three movies. So he put 20% into TPM, 20% into AOTC, and then had to shove the remaining 60% into ROTS. The rest was just "filler".
This from Entertainment Weekly, May 20, 2005:
"By his own calculation, 60 percent of the prequel plot he dreamed up decades earlier takes place in Sith. The remaining 40 percent he split evenly between Menace and Clones, meaning each film contained a lot of... filler. Or in Lucas parlance, "jazz riffs... things that I enjoy... just doodle around a lot" - mostly in the form of blending live action and animation to create exotic worlds and emotionally resonant characters. You know, like Jar Jar. "That's the whole point to me. Making it the way I want it to be. That's what it comes down to", he says. ""Someboyd's got to be happy out of all of this. It might as well be me.""
So in the creator's own words... fully 80% of TPM and AOTC was just him "doodling". This from the same guy that says he wants to create "emotionally resonant" characters and then the one he cites is Jar Jar. 
To me this means he doodled a rough outline way back, and later doodled it out further until it was fully fleshed out.
All of these movies have been Lucas' "doodles".
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DARTH-SMELLY-FEET
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Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
The Pod Race kicked ass.
It was way to drawn out, most likely due to the lack of story, hence filler. Or at least that's what I thought at the time.
But now we know this isn't the case, GL just held back on the story so he could have episode 2.5.
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SithStarSlayer
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Oh please. Lucas bilked you out of $7 for each film.
Not exactly. I traveled to view the movies with friends in different states, you underestimate my fandom. I have spent thousands upon thousands, and thus have paid for the right to smash on Lucas and his greed. Blind I am not, to his ways....
I initially liked them in the theaters, it was the subsequent viewings that exposed Lucas for his fraudulent story telling. Thanks to those DVD's... I can see every bogus plot device and poorly written and under-developed characters. Makes sense to me, since Lucas wants to throw out quotes, I'll check the films... he's milked us out of millions, and he's doing it again. Bet your backside I'll be there opening nite of the CW animated gig too.
And Smelly.... you are on like Dead-Eye-Duncan.
That lame pod-sequence (which was extended if only but to test my patience) was at the expense of character development. You know, because racing a POD was important to becoming Darth Vader, PODs lead to killing kids and choking wives... especially since it DIDN'T even take the Force to fly the silly thing. I am kindof bummed tho... you totally bailed on the chance to smash-on Anakin's cow-surfing escapade, heaven knows that was crucial to donning the black mask.
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Best thing that happened while watching any of the PT in the cinema?
Viewing STAR WARS EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE and STAR WARS EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES and STAR WARS EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH in a theater is my answer. 
There's nothing like watching a STAR WARS movie in a theater, including midnight opening viewings and repeated viewings. And movies just don't stay in theaters like they used to do and they just aren't re-released in theaters like they used to be. Every viewing of a STAR WARS movie in a theater is special to me.
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TK-421- posted:
TPM opening night for sure before all the disappointment and negativity would destroy Star Wars forever.
I thought the Mustafar throw down was a huge let down.The Sid and Yoda duel was better.
I totally agree. I loved the Sidious and Yoda duel better. Yes, I liked the Obi-Wan and Anakin duel, just though Yoda and Sid going at was much more epic.
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AnakinSucks posted:
Yoda disposing of the Sith Lord's guards.
Amusing.
everyone laughed at that one every single time.
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DJK edit: That entire post was unnecessary and essentially one large bait.
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DJK edit: Both of you, cool it.
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It has to be watching ROTS five times with regular audiances and the complete silence and electricty that occured during the Ruminations scene. Up until that point, it had been a typical PT experiance, with some chatter and restlessness, but when the Ruminations scene came along it was like the whole cinema was suddenly sucked in and the movie then kept the audiance until the credits. Its amazing just how pivitol that Ruminations scene is.
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I don't expect much, I take what comes my way.
Victimized?
Nah, I pay to play... obviously, I can afford to.
And, I enjoy bringing balance to the discussion because understand and embrace the following. "It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat." I know; in the grand scheme of things, that my opinion doesn't really matter on a message board, so I don't take myself too seriously...
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SithStarSlayer posted:
I don't expect much, I take what comes my way.
Victimized?
Nah, I pay to play... obviously, I can afford to.
Look, I apologize if my reaction came across as too strong. I’m a cheapskate; I come from a long line of cheapskates. I make it an effort not to spend money on products/entertainments I perceive to be inferior. I don’t own the Return of the Jedi DVD, as I’ve long fancied it a thoroughly mediocre follow-up to Kershner’s masterpiece; I regret purchasing Attack of the Clones, since my first, fixed conjecture was that it was emotionally hollow (albeit thematically intriguing). Frugality is in my nature. Really, whatever bitterness I’d feel toward a filmmaker after first viewing would be supplanted by guilt pangs after spending more on ill-advised repeats. "Fool me once..."
SithStarSlayer posted:
And, I enjoy bringing balance to the discussion because understand and embrace the following. "It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."
Does this imply you respect Lucas, even as you find fault with some of his judgments?
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I must echo Sx3's comments, and defend them as well.
Lucas was a breakout genius who crafted a saga (the OT) that changed movie history. Not speaking for Sx3 here, but I certainly respect all that Lucas has achieved, from THX 1138 to ROTS. [edit spelling]
GL went up against the guilds and staunchly did it "his way." He has not flinched from this remarkably rebellious stance (remarkable in regards to his huge box office takes) as he plows ahead advancing the art of movie making.
But Lucas, like Dooku and Anakin, eventually fell to the dark side. He pushed out a PT that, in retrospect and held side-by-side with the OT, is less than the sum of all of its parts, not at all pure, simple and at the same time synergistic like the OT. The OT formed a 'religion' for crying out loud. The PT merely passed the collection plate for the privilege to "sit in church" and worship.
The initial thrill of each PT movie cannot be denied. Once I donated to the collection plate two or three times, I started diving deeper into what I was 'supporting.' This is where Lucas loses stature on his pulpit. He did not follow his own OT dogma, ignoring or even countering key lines of dialog from the OT in his reformist PT gospels.
Now the Master gives us new animated scripture to bridge the gaps in the PT, soon to be followed by a live action TV series to connect the 'reformist' PT with the sacred OT! Other than the movie launch and my monthly cable bill (Internet bill too [tipping hat to TFN]), at least I won't need to feed the collection plates as I watch more revisionist dogma unfold [TiVo suitably engaged to allow for continued critical analysis].
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