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Why didnt Mace Windu contact the Senate and tell them that Palpatine was a Sith Lord?
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obi_arin_kenobi
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3/25 7:31am
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he did tell them. its all there, on screen.
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Eternity85
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3/25 7:55am
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I dont think many people in the senate know what it means to be a Sith. They had been away from the galaxy for over a thousand years, all they know is whats recorded in the history books.
Or do you think maybe they would have reacted like we probably would have, if we knew that the Nazi regime was back, and that Hitler was the president?
I think Mace knew it.. Palpatine had painted them all into a corner. But remember what Mace said. "We have to act quickly if the Jedi order is to survive!"
So he knew it, but they were very short on time, he knew what was going to happen, no time to think, so he made a very quick decision.
Only thing i blame him for is that he left Anakin behind..
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi
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3/25 1:23pm
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In my opinion, part of it was that Mace thought that he, along with the other masters could handle Sidious on their own. The other part is that the Senate had become so corrupt under Palpatine's rule, they would have been no help to the Jedi. As Mace said, Palpatine controlled the Senate and the courts.
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voodoopuuduu
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3/25 2:30pm
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I think Mace knew it.. Palpatine had painted them all into a corner. But remember what Mace said. "We have to act quickly if the Jedi order is to survive!"
Oh right, that turned out to be GREAT plan. 
The only way he could have saved the Jedi order was to tell the others. Then they would be on notice and wouldnt be caught off guard if something like Order 66 came along.
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Obi-Chron
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3/25 5:48pm
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So many illogical actions by the Jedi, particularly Mace:
- sending Kenobi away from Anakin
- letting Anakin protect Palpatine, then refusing him the title of master on the council after he did as he was asked
- letting Yoda go off to help the Wookiies
- Mace not instantly sending out a warning to all deployed Jedi that Palpatine is either a Sith or is controlled by the Sith
- Mace ordering Anakin to stay put at the Temple; had Ani been with the posse when Palpatine attacked, he'd have realized the old man was not defenseless
- Mace refusing to take Palpatine into custody and making him stand trial, buying time for the Jedi and the good elements in the Senate as the trial transpired (and found Palpatine 'not guilty')
- Mace single-handedly deciding to play judge and jury and kill the Sith lord, forcing Anakin's decision, turning Skywalker into the shatterpoint of the monumental confrontation
IMO Mace literally feared Palpatine after the posse went down and the Sith lord sprang a little heat lightning on the purple sabered one. Mace lost his cool and slipped a little to deeply into the Vapaad style he employed to his defense. He chose poorly.
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SithStarSlayer
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3/26 7:43am
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Agreed.
Mace's lack of emotional restraint clouded his judgement. His anger and frustration were his undoing, and they had bigger consequences... his mistake was the catalyst to initiating the downfall of the Republic that he loved soo much. Mace was like the falling hammer on the last nail to the lid on the Jedi, their fate was sealed once he raised him arm to deal the killing blow.
Mace was foolish not to warn the entire Order, especially after saying about as much.
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3/26 8:10am
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There are times...times, mind you... that the SW movies, especially the Prequels, feel like springs that are too tightly wound. I say that because - as we all know - certain things just HAVE to happen. They have to, because we saw ANH, ESB, and ROTJ. GL's task, then, is to fill in the blanks in such a way that what HAS to happen does in fact "happen", while still making for an entertaining and logical story. And to a great extent, I think he did just that.
But there ARE times when I feel, at the edges, the story straining to conform to those "must happen" guidelines.
Basically, Palpatine HAS to come to power. That is GOING to happen. So lets imagine that, before going to confront Palpatine, Mace directed an aide to put out a galaxy-wide press release - "Palpatine really evil Sith Lord!" (keep in mind that, at this point, it was all based on Anakin's say so... when Mace confronted Palpatine, how would it have played out if Palps HADN'T drawn a light-saber and fought, but had instead quietly surrendered, while maintaining his innocence?)... Well, GL would then have been obliged to write a scene where folks just didn't believe it, or Palps had some way of stifling the news from getting out, or Palps followed that up with HIS (post-order 66) press release revealing the Sith stuff was just part of the Jedi plot to sieze power.
I know that isn't very satisfying, but for me, it falls right in line with our having to accept that a lot of folks BELIEVED the Jedi were suddenly staging a coup (realizing Palps had the clone troopers handy to deal with...dissenters!). I can IMAGINE it, but it still makes me go HMMMMMmm (I didn't see, onscreen, Palps setting up a very good anti-Jedi PR campaign, but that is just me).
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Darthbane2007
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3/26 10:16am
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Basically, Mace is sorta of an idiot in the prequels.
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Eternity85
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3/27 1:31pm
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I think everyone has been there, at critical moments in life its very easy too make mistakes , and then the next day we go like, oh man, what was i thinking. Unfortunately Mace never got the chance to reflect on his actions.
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Obi-Chron
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^^^^
Well, it is pretty certain that Mace was suddenly 'shocked' into reality.
He then had about four or five seconds to dwell on the error of his ways as he hurtled downward toward the pavement far, far below Papatine's office.
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LordVader66
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Why didn't Mace contact the Senate and tell them Palpatine was a Sith Lord?
Palpatine: I am the Senate.
It would have made little difference. Mace made numerous errors, but broadcasting over the holonet or personally contacting senators isn't something I blame him for.
Mace's error was not bringing enough assets to successfully arrest Palpatine. Bringing Anakin was a toss up; Mace obviously deeply distrusted Anakin. But not bringing enough Jedi or other security officials to arrest Palpatine was a huge problem. I've always said, with all the nonsense that had gone on up until that point, if Mace had been the least pragmatic, the Republic could have been saved. He should have come with enough manpower so Palpatine didn't even have an option to fight. That his once choice was to accept arrest.
Think about it like this, Mace leaves the Chosen One behind. That takes out your finest fighter who recently defeated Count Dooku, and who may be the Chosen One, whose destiny is linked to the fate of the Sith. Then he only decides to bring three other Jedi Masters with him to arrest Palpatine. Though these Masters were capable, it wasn't like showing up with Anakin or Yoda. And were talking about Darth Sidious here. Mace knows what Palpatine has accomplished but seems to underestimate him as a threat. So Mace blew it, big time. Now look at the reverse.
Sidious then sends Vader to the Jedi Temple, the strongest Force user on the planet besides Sidious to kill all the Jedi, which in the Temple, mainly consisted of younglings, Knights and a few Masters. And not only does he send Vader, but thousands of the 501st, the finest unit of clones in the Republic army. It fairly obivious who always covered his bases and had everything perfectly planned. Mace seemed to lack foresight and an analytical mind, unlike Sidious.
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Eternity85
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Mace knows what Palpatine has accomplished but seems to underestimate him as a threat. So Mace blew it, big time. Now look at the reverse.
Mace didnt underestimate Palpatine, he brought three Jedi Masters including himself.
Although he should have had Anakin by his side.
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Darthbane2007
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I believe that Palpatine had control of the senate and the courts. Anything he wants, he can twist it around in his favor until he gets it.
But, negating the Original Trilogy, He should have thought a little bit more. Anakin had just told him that Palpatine was a sith lord. He should have sat back and begin to put the pieces together; Why palpatine was continuing the war, how the seperatists knew exactly where to strike, etc...
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Eternity85
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Well, thats my point. That is what Mace and the Jedi should have done, but at the time of ROTS, it was too late, and they didnt have time too sit down and come up with a plan.
Palpatine wouldnt have revealed himself as Sidious at that time if he wasnt absolutely sure that he had won. Anakin was his final move, Checkmate!
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ShaneP posted:
But "soon enough" would not have been "soon enough" for the jedi. The entire Grand Army and the Senate would've turned against them immediately.
Hard to prove your case when you're being shot at.
The Grand Army would have done nothing to the Jedi since, the Jedi are their superior officers and obey their orders. Besides Anakin is as big a hero as Palps and the Senate and general public would trust and believe what he told them.
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