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Why didnt Mace Windu contact the Senate and tell them that Palpatine was a Sith Lord?
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DarthBoba
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10/13 12:49am
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RE: Why didnt Mace Windu contact the Senate and tell them that Palpatine was a Sith Lord?
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Wrong; Padme, at least, knows what a Sith is.
"He's in great danger, Padme, I must find him."
"From the Sith?"
Anyway, as to just why Mace doesn't tell the Senate...
"He controls the Senate and the courts."
It'd be pointless, in other words.
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MasterLuke-83
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10/13 9:01am
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Well padme IS married to a Jedi 
Most of the populace , at least to me, seems to be ignorant or uncaring of these details from a cult battle a thousand years ago. What if palpatine were to be accused of being a sith. He has shown no malice toward anyone in the senate, and has a lifetime of service toward it. The senates Equal rights laws would probably prevail, out of ignorance.
Granted it wopuld be pointless, but notice how easily people turn against the Jedi and cheer when the emperor declares his empire. They have no loyalty to them ultimately. The label of "theyre good and sith are evil" are nonexistent, otherwise theyd all doubt that they deformed Palpatine like that, but only a few insiders knew, like Bail Organa and Padme.
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DarthBoba
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We never hear from 'the rest of the populace' anywhere in the films, so I'm not exactly sure what you're basing that impression on.
Additionally, I'd at least hope that the average citizen has at least some vague knowledge of a group of guys who nearly conquered the entire friggin galaxy just ten centuries back in the EU and actually ran the galaxy for at least some period of time in the films. It'd be like getting a blank stare when asking an average person if they know who the Romans are. 
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MasterLuke-83
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10/13 10:36am
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DarthBoba posted:
We never hear from 'the rest of the populace' anywhere in the films, so I'm not exactly sure what you're basing that impression on.
Additionally, I'd at least hope that the average citizen has at least some vague knowledge of a group of guys who nearly conquered the entire friggin galaxy just ten centuries back in the EU and actually ran the galaxy for at least some period of time in the films. It'd be like getting a blank stare when asking an average person if they know who the Romans are.
Actually we do... to an extent. In 4 we hear the complete disrespect for the entire religion of the force even. Han believes its a bunch of nonsense, Uncle Owen even calls Obi Wan a crazy old man, knowing that would be the stereotype for anyone still believing in it. So theres an instance where people dont know or care about the force even though they were plenty of users utilized in the open by the republic not TWENTY years ago. In 3 as I just stated, we see the blatant acceptance of Palpatine. That blue senator apparently doesnt mind either, because he seems to support Palpatine even after he has this blatant conversation with Yoda about being a sith.
From these clues I deduct the average populace isnt too aware of the implications. Your povs may vary. And remember: our world isnt Star wars world. Lucas pulls LOTS of strings.
Besides in a senate that messed up, theyd need PROOF, as shown with the mess from the trade dispute in episode 1. You cant just accuse someone and have everyone believe. The proof would probably come 10 years down the line, after endless debating and stalling tactics, and that would be even before palpatine became chancellor.
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DarthBoba
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Date Posted:
10/13 10:45am
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RE: Why didnt Mace Windu contact the Senate and tell them that Palpatine was a Sith Lord?
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The explanation for the complete lack of respect for the Force in ANH is that the Empire's spent the last 20 years saying the Jedi were faking it, which frankly from a galactic point of view where there's 10,000 Jedi for a whole bunch of regular people isn't too far-fetched a point of view. Then we have the Rebellion, who at the very least aren't buying that the Force doesn't exist, given their penchant for saying "May The Force Be With You" at important moments. Besides, claiming Uncle Owen and Han as average galactic people is ridiculous, especially since we know that Owen both knew Anakin and knew what he was, and that Han spent most of the time he would've been getting an education as a de facto slave aboard a smuggler ship.
There's no sign anywhere pre-ANH that nobody believes in the Force, or that they're all ignorant to who the Sith were. And it's a ridiculous notion in general; everybody's forgotten the people who ruled the galaxy to such a blatantly oppressive extent that their religion was outlawed for centuries after their first collapse? When someone gets conquered and enslaved, they tend to remember it.
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MasterLuke-83
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DarthBoba posted:
The explanation for the complete lack of respect for the Force in ANH is that the Empire's spent the last 20 years saying the Jedi were faking it.
I could just as easily ask for your solid unshakeable proof for this assumption also... lol
Once again, your povs may vary.
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Arawn_Fenn
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DarthBoba posted:
the people who ruled the galaxy to such a blatantly oppressive extent
Music to my ears. 
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DarthBoba
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10/15 3:46am
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MasterLuke-83 posted:
DarthBoba posted:
The explanation for the complete lack of respect for the Force in ANH is that the Empire's spent the last 20 years saying the Jedi were faking it.
I could just as easily ask for your solid unshakeable proof for this assumption also... lol
Once again, your povs may vary.
It's not my opinion, it's canon:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Empire#Society_and_culture
nder the Galactic Empire, people were discouraged from believing in the Force. The Jedi's history was rewritten by Emperor Palpatine's best propagandists. Palpatine rewrote their history to make it seem that the Jedi had secretly begun to control the Galactic Republic (possibly when Human Masters took non-Human apprentices).
However, it was not just the Jedi who suffered. All Force-sensitives were targeted. Some examples included the Quermians, who were accused of sending seditious thoughts into the minds of others. The Iktotchi were attacked due to their telepathic abilities, which were said to be drawn from the Force.
Despite the established anti-Jediism of the New Order, many in the Imperial government were unaware that Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader were Force users, and a few even knew that they were Sith Lords.
Even in the Rebel Alliance, when Luke Skywalker was wrongly accused of the accidental death of Shira Brie, a Rebel operative Milo Fourstar openly blamed Luke for deliberately causing Brie's death because she spurned his advances. Enraged, Luke hit him in the jaw, and Milo accused him of using the Force against him, denouncing him as an untrustworthy "sorcerer."
Despite the absence of Jedi toward the end of Palpatine's reign, anti-Jediism was still present among some groups, including one which defaced Sidrona Diath's ancient burial site on Tatooine in 1 ABY.
It was official Imperial policy that the Jedi were a bunch of fakers.
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10/15 9:40am
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And yet the Imperial elite all knew not to screw with Vader who was, as Tarkin notes, the last of their religion.
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Master_Starwalker
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The two don't necessarily conflict. The elite of a government don't always believe the state's official line.
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Darthbane2007
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10/15 5:21pm
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If mace had contacted the senate and told them Palpatine was a sith lord, more likely than not the senate would go " So, what do you want us to do about it?"
Most of the populace really don't know about the whole Jedi Vs. Sith powergrab over the years and really could care less. There appears to be nohing in their constitution stating that being a sith is illegal, so the Jedi would be in a bind.
Also, nobody has seen this supposed " Darth Sidious" before, so Palpatine, like in the novel, could spin it around and make it look like the Jedi made him up as an excuse to harass their politicial enemies.
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DarthBoba
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-polymath- posted:
And yet the Imperial elite all knew not to screw with Vader who was, as Tarkin notes, the last of their religion.
Of course they didn't screw with him. He was the official # 2 and could strangle you without even being in the same room.
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DRush76
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10/16 12:03pm
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Oh, I know Lucas thinks that the Jedi were corrupted, I just don't think his argument is consistent with the movies and thus pay it little mind.
Lucas has been hinting on the corruption of the Jedi since Luke's encounter with Obi-Wan on Dagobah in ROTJ.
Why didn't Yoda inform the Senate that Palpatine was a Sith Lord? Why is it that fans never ask this question?
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Darthbane2007
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DRush76 posted:
Oh, I know Lucas thinks that the Jedi were corrupted, I just don't think his argument is consistent with the movies and thus pay it little mind.
Lucas has been hinting on the corruption of the Jedi since Luke's encounter with Obi-Wan on Dagobah in ROTJ.
Why didn't Yoda inform the Senate that Palpatine was a Sith Lord? Why is it that fans never ask this question?
Because there is nothing in their constitution that states that being a Sith is punishable.
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Master_Starwalker
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Lucas has been hinting on the corruption of the Jedi since Luke's encounter with Obi-Wan on Dagobah in ROTJ.
Nope. Obi-Wan was at most wrong, not corrupt. If you're taking Lucas' word as gospel, Obi-Wan believed Anakin could be redeemed.
“[The prequel trilogy] is mostly about Darth Vader, who he is, where he came from, how he became Luke and Leia’s father, what his relationship to Ben is. In Jedi, the film is really about the redemption of this fallen angel. Ben is the fitting good angel, and Vader is the bad angel who started off good. All those years Ben has been waiting for Luke to come of age so that he can become a Jedi and redeem his father. That’s what Ben has been doing, but you don’t know this in the first film.”
Why didn't Yoda inform the Senate that Palpatine was a Sith Lord? Why is it that fans never ask this question?
Because as Mace points out "He[Palpatine] controls the Senate and the courts..." Yoda understood the Senate couldn't be trusted.
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