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sith_rising
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4/2 5:13pm
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I think the PT is absolutely "deeper" than the OT, definately more complex. The OT films have relatively simple plots: rescue a princess and attack the enemy base, run from the enemy, rescue a friend, attack a new enemy base, and a final showdown with the villain and the redemption of the fallen hero. The PT delves deeper into politics and the nature of human relationships. Unlike the black-and-white war between good and evil depicted in the OT, the PT gives us a "gray" war. On one side we have a corrupt, crumbling Republic than uses test-tube super soldiers and emotionless warrior monks to do it's bidding. The Seperatist side is composed of greedy corporations who want the unrestricted ability to make even more money, who use droids to enslave indigenous peoples and conquer planets. So, the dirty mess of the PT later gives us the "good war" of the OT. I think of it in terms of our world wars. WW2 was a "good war", but many of the causes of it came out of WW1, which was a completely unnecessary war.
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Arawn_Fenn
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OT: The Force is strong in my family.
PT: Midichlorians.
No disagreement there. 
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drg4
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morpha2 posted:
OT: "Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
PT: "Midichlorians!"
'Nuff said. 
You wanna play that game, eh? Let's compare lures.
PT: "I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."
OT: "Give in to your anger!" (C'mon, get mad! I dare ya! Grrrr...)
Checkmate. 
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DARTH-SMELLY-FEET
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4/3 7:36am
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RE: Prequel Trilogy deeper than Classic?
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I think you left a wee bit out there DRG4.  I seem to remember Palps saying a lot more than "give into your anger".
On topic I dont think the PT is deep at all, they try to be but fail in almost every respect due to the very poor writing/directing/filler/rushed stories/not following up on things shown on screen/making the viewer assume things have happened as apposed to showing us etc hence the clones wars dvd's and new movie coming out.
I think the OT is deeper (not by much) purely because of scenes like Luke's training with Obi Wan & Yoda and Palps/Vader trying to turn luke. They really open up your imagination to a new world.
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drg4
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Palpatine says a lot of things in ROTJ, nothing of which is even remotely as interesting as that Darth Plagueis legend.
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DarthDuckie
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In terms of depth, the PT has the advantage of being told retrospectively. There are plenty of opportunities to have profound explanations for things which happened later. Those opportunities are created by the OT, of course, so it's difficult to say where the depth actually originates.
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morpha2
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drg4 posted:
Palpatine says a lot of things in ROTJ, nothing of which is even remotely as interesting as that Darth Plagueis legend.
You're just comparing bits of dialogue. I was referring to the OT's complex, spiritual treatment of the Force versus the scientific, easily quantifiable version of the Force depicted in the PT.
DarthDuckie posted:
In terms of depth, the PT has the advantage of being told retrospectively. There are plenty of opportunities to have profound explanations for things which happened later. Those opportunities are created by the OT, of course, so it's difficult to say where the depth actually originates.
Very astutely observed.
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drg4
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4/3 5:43pm
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morpha2 posted:
drg4 posted:
Palpatine says a lot of things in ROTJ, nothing of which is even remotely as interesting as that Darth Plagueis legend.
You're just comparing bits of dialogue. I was referring to the OT's complex, spiritual treatment of the Force versus the scientific, easily quantifiable version of the Force depicted in the PT.
Actually, I was contrasting Palpatine’s multilayered PT temptation--capitalizing on attachment, utopianism, and vainglory--with the “C'mon, hit me! Booga, booga, booga!” lure he tries on ol' Luke.
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DarthDuckie
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The whole give in to your anger or "go on hit me" thing was just the culmination of all the accumulated temptation and manipulation though wasn't it? Luke's attachment to, and desire to save his friends, father and sister and the frustration that arose from thinking he would fail to do so were what led to that end point. The same could be said for Anakin with Sidious. At the climax of all the build up, he basically just got Anakin to let loose on Mace as he did Luke with Vader.
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skgai1
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I now see these films as one saga. Both trilogies make the other better. If the prequel trilogy would have been made first, the classic trilogy would have made it better. Each episode provides more complexity, more answers and new questions. For starters, each film gives us substantial characters that are more interesting than most. I think this is Lucas' strongest suit. His ability to create rich and compelling characters from Anakin, to R2-D2 to Admiral Piet. They all have a purpose, they all have their eccentricities and they all have qualities, which, for better or worse, we find fascinating. I see that as unchanging throughout all six films. And to me, that's where a movie's heart is, its characters. Now I no that can't apply for all films, but I have trouble with films that don't have characters. (I'd also add that a character doesn't have to have dialogue[THX-1138])
And for enders, they're both deep we just didn't know how deep each episode was until we saw the next one.
Oh and Cryo, thanks for those links to those publications. Do you have any others? It's so hard to find substantial material on movies (i.e. not a *stared* review for Joe Smoe from Empire.com)
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR
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I say it's a little deeper than the OT, mainly because it stresses politics and subplots more than the old.
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Captain_Typho
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It is deeper. The classic trilogy is a classic tale of good vs evil. The prequel trilogy is more complicated....more like MacBeth in a sense. We see how a good guy takes a tragic fall, and I think every one of us can relate in some way to Anakin, making a bad decision in our lives that has hurt or deeply affected someone else. Many of us have been in the position where we love someone or something so much that we will put all rationality and good sense aside to protect or save the things we love. I'm not saying you can't relate to Luke or Han or Leia in the original trilogy, I just think the way we can relate to characters like Anakin and Obi Wan and Padme is on a deeper emotional level than the instances in the CT.
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nito209
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I for one can relate totally to characters in the PT , some say they can relate to the OT only cause han was just ur average joe and luke just a farm boy which is true but as form me I can relate to the PT characters, through anakin how he looses himself to the darkside I know this feeling cause a couple of years back I lost my self to drugs and hardcore drugs not just weed,a dark long road to hatefullness and loosind ones self, not only that character but also obi-wans in the PT in loosing friends and family, with padme lol yes i can even relate to this character cause she tried to do the responsible thing and instead she followed her heart and eventually led to heart break and im sure most of us have been there, we as a people can relate to the PT universe of whats going on in our politics and war so for me the prequel trilogy runs deeper than the OT cause it deals with the heartache and pain that life brings to us sometimes.
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MisterVader
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I think that the PT is deeper than the OT by a long shot, but why must everything be so focused on a top-down hermeneutic system? Can the PT not also be defended for its surface? It's a difficult thing to accept, but searching for depth alone is, essentially, an arbitrary value judgment.
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DarthDuckie
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4/3 8:26pm
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I think regardless of any perceived depth, the PT can definitely be appreciated for its surface. TPM in particular, for me, is just one of the coolest looking movies I've seen.
I agree that depth is in many ways subjective. I also think a film needn't be complex or complicated in order to have a lot of depth to it.
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