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DarthGimpy Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/10 7:19pm Subject: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc.
	I'm sure this sort of stuff has already been asked, but I've had a few questions bothering me since I rewatched the Prequels on Spike last weekend, and I wanted to sound out a few questions for the board. I think that it's been pretty well established that Darth Sidious had co-opted the clone project on Kamino but didn't want the Jedi to find out about it until the war was about to begin. And from what I've read, most people thought that Sidious wanted Obi-Wan to find Kamino and the clones, and then stumble across Geonosis as well. Perhaps my premises are incorrect, but with that said: 1) None of you thinks Zam Wessil (sp?) was in on the scheme do you? Was she just a bad shot? Why did she shoot down the droid, instead of shooting Obi-Wan in the face or the body or something? In fact, why in the world would Obi-Wan jump onto the droid, instead of putting on a tracking device, like he did with Jango's ship? (Perhaps there wasn't time for that.) In any case, if Sidious wanted Obi-Wan to find Kamino, he had to rely on the droid getting shot, instead of Obi-Wan taking the blast. 2) I wonder why they took her outside to question her? Surely they could have found a more protected position than they used. It seems like kind of an obtuse thing to do. And I guess Jango used the saber dart to help Obi-Wan find Kamino? He certainly seemed surprised and worried to find Obi-Wan there later in the movie. It seems like it would have been much better to just shoot her instead, unless he wanted to be followed. Also he could just as easily shot Obi-Wan or Anakin and taken care of Zam after that. In any case, he could have done none of those things if they would have just questioned Zam in a safer spot. Sidious's plan seemed to rest on them questioning her in an unsafe area, because otherwise, how could Jango have provided the clue? 3) The most interesting thing of all to me is that I'm sure Sidious must have expected Obi-Wan to track Jango to Geonosis, otherwise how could the Jedi have become aware of the droid army's location and provided the spark to start the war? So he expected Obi-Wan and Jango to fight to a draw, and for Obi-Wan to place a beacon on his ship. He places a lot on the outcome of that battle? What if Obi-Wan had captured Jango or what if Obi-Wan had fallen to his death into the Kamino ocean? I don't see how his plan would have succeeded. It seems Sidious's plan places a lot to chance. I know that it's a movie, and these situations had to have these particular results to further the plot, but I just thought I'd sound out the situations for you all for the purposes of discussion. Hope it's a good topic.
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Jango10 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 4/10 7:30pm Subject: RE: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc.
	1. Zam shot the droid to destroy evidence, and she assumed Kenobi would die from the fall. She was just killing two birds with one stone. I can't really give you answeres for #2 and #3, because I don't know. I would say that Jango knew about everything, because he was the host of the Clones but yet fought with the Separitists. It seems he was a major player in galactic events. -----signature----- "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning." McCain/Palin '08
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/10 7:49pm Subject: RE: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc. - Date Edited: 4/10 7:51pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	DarthGimpy posted: 1) None of you thinks Zam Wessil (sp?) was in on the scheme do you? Was she just a bad shot? Why did she shoot down the droid, instead of shooting Obi-Wan in the face or the body or something? In fact, why in the world would Obi-Wan jump onto the droid, instead of putting on a tracking device, like he did with Jango's ship? (Perhaps there wasn't time for that.) In any case, if Sidious wanted Obi-Wan to find Kamino, he had to rely on the droid getting shot, instead of Obi-Wan taking the blast. 2) I wonder why they took her outside to question her? Surely they could have found a more protected position than they used. It seems like kind of an obtuse thing to do. And I guess Jango used the saber dart to help Obi-Wan find Kamino? He certainly seemed surprised and worried to find Obi-Wan there later in the movie. It seems like it would have been much better to just shoot her instead, unless he wanted to be followed. Also he could just as easily shot Obi-Wan or Anakin and taken care of Zam after that. In any case, he could have done none of those things if they would have just questioned Zam in a safer spot. Sidious's plan seemed to rest on them questioning her in an unsafe area, because otherwise, how could Jango have provided the clue? 3) The most interesting thing of all to me is that I'm sure Sidious must have expected Obi-Wan to track Jango to Geonosis, otherwise how could the Jedi have become aware of the droid army's location and provided the spark to start the war? There is a simple and obvious solution for all of these. Sidious did not intend for Jango to lead the Jedi to Kamino. Sidious really had no way of knowing that Dex had found a Kamino saberdart on Subterrel. If the explosion on the landing pad had killed Padme, there would have been no need for another assassination attempt, no saberdart, and no way to trace the attack to Jango! Sidious did not plan everything. -----signature----- The world will look up and shout, "Save us." And I'll whisper: "No". - Rorschach
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voodoopuuduu Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 4/10 7:50pm Subject: RE: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc.
	It seems Sidious's plan places a lot to chance. Yes, thats true. But we dont know if this was Sidious' plan A, B, C etc. Perhaps he had other clues for Obi-Wan to find before. Or if this plan didnt work, he would put a big sign on Anakins back reading "Hey dumba$$, theres a clone army being built on Kamino". -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14 Joint-Winner CT Trivia Challenge 49 and 50
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Jango10 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 4/10 7:53pm Subject: RE: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc.
	Sidious's plan was probably to wait until he received the Emergency Powers, and then create the army, tell about Kamino, etc. -----signature----- "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning." McCain/Palin '08
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voodoopuuduu Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 4/10 11:08pm Subject: RE: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc.
	I think he wanted someone else to find the army on Kamino, so he would be clean. Instead pin the blame on a rogue Jedi, Sifo-Dyas. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14 Joint-Winner CT Trivia Challenge 49 and 50
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SoonerSean Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 4/10 11:32pm Subject: RE: A few questions about Zam, saber dart, Jango, etc. - Date Edited: 4/10 11:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: SoonerSean
	I agree with the points about Sidious perhaps not planning every detail the way it turned out. Even if he had succeeded in directing Zam and Jango to do what they did to eventually get Obi Wan to Kamino... he still had to get Obi Wan from Kamino to Geonosis and that required Jango not killing him twice (battle on Kamino and then the space battle outside Geonosis). If he did have all that planned out... he was awfully lucky that it came off without a hitch. I would think Sidious would probably say that he was fortunate things happened as they did, otherwise his plan was likely to have somehow let the Jedi/Republic learn of the need for an army around the time the cloners on Kamino would have been contacting the Jedi to tell them their army was ready (the surely would have done so at some point). The events of AOTC just sped things along. *** I think Sidious was lucky in several ways that things happened as they did. He's certainly outrageously powerful, but the events at the opening of ROTS when he sets up the whole kidnapping by Grievous shows how lucky he is, i.e. it was largely a big test for Anakin to finally prove to Sidious that he would be a worthy apprentice - but Sidious was lucky that the Republic didn't destroy the ship, that he wasn't killed along with Anakin in the elevator shaft, and that Anakin was able to land what was left of the ship. At any point Sidious could have died.
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