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Obi-Wan does to Darth Maul what Anakin tries to do to Obi-Wan
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skgai1
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Nov '05
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4/10 8:19pm
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Obi-Wan does to Darth Maul what Anakin tries to do to Obi-Wan
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Let me explain. In TPM, Obi-Wan jumps over Darth Maul from the bottomless pit in the exact manner Anakin tried to jump over Obi-Wan in ROTS. Only, Obi-Wan was succesful both times despite being from different heights each time. Why did it work against Maul yet Anakin couldn't do it against Obi-Wan?
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Arawn_Fenn
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4/10 8:30pm
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RE: Obi-Wan does to Darth Maul what Anakin tries to do to Obi-Wan
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Because Obi-Wan expected it; he had done the move himself and he knew exactly when to strike.
Next question! 
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Darth_Davi
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4/10 10:44pm
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RE: Obi-Wan does to Darth Maul what Anakin tries to do to Obi-Wan
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Arawn_Fenn's answer is good enough for me. Darth Maul didn't expect it, wasn't anticipating it, so it worked. Obi-Wan WARNED Anakin that he had the high-ground, anticipated what he would do if Anakin made the jump, thus, it didn't work for Anakin. The situations are completely different. Against Maul, Kenobi had the element of surprise. Against Kenobi, Anakin didn't. End of story.
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voodoopuuduu
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4/10 11:03pm
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Yep. And when Obi-Wan did it against Maul, Obi-Wan didnt have a lightsaber, which further added surprise.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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4/11 6:30pm
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We've argued this point millions upon millions of times.
The answer remains the same. Maul was overconfident and so was Anakin. Each time they didn't expect to fail, and each time Obi Wan knew how to take advantage of this.
There was actually a thread dedicated to the Obi Wans line "I have the high ground" and how it didn't exactly make sense while looking back at TPM.
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rechedelphar
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4/12 7:11am
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It dosen'y make a lot of sense. Obi-Wan basically flies in TPM on certain jumps and Anakin can't jump higher than he did?
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Strilo
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4/12 9:19am
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RE: Obi-Wan does to Darth Maul what Anakin tries to do to Obi-Wan
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It's probably easier to jump high from a solid platform than from a robot floating on lava...
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Arawn_Fenn
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4/12 1:20pm
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RE: Obi-Wan does to Darth Maul what Anakin tries to do to Obi-Wan
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rechedelphar posted:
It dosen'y make a lot of sense. Obi-Wan basically flies in TPM on certain jumps and Anakin can't jump higher than he did?
The problem is that you assume Anakin was trying to go higher.
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skgai1
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
We've argued this point millions upon millions of times.
The answer remains the same. Maul was overconfident and so was Anakin. Each time they didn't expect to fail, and each time Obi Wan knew how to take advantage of this.
There was actually a thread dedicated to the Obi Wans line "I have the high ground" and how it didn't exactly make sense while looking back at TPM.
I merely bring up this question because people say the victims lost because they were overconfident. Yet they also say that Anakin was overconfident for trying to do the jump and Maul was overconfident for watching Obi-Wan die. Yet Obi-Wan won each battle because he wasn't overconfident yet he did the exact same things in each scene. I don't understand why Lucas did this because it doesn't seem to say anything except for the fact that Obi-Wan is apparently all powerful, which I don't buy. This is one of the few instants where I don't understand Lucas intentions or fail to see that there were any and chalk this up to bad foresight (or hindsight).
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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4/12 9:48pm
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Oh I agree with you fully. We've had 20 pages on a thread dedicated to this thought so many times.
I agree, Lucas tried to pump us up for something that he couldn't deliver. We were supposed to see Darth Vader at his prime, unleashing the darkside fully. However, only one of those things happened and in a negative way too. Darth Vader was so fueled on his power that he didn't view his options all together. He thought he would win with a straight attack strategy. However, Obi Wan was thinking right and set a trap for Anakin, and he fell right into it.
Maul, thinking that no matter what Obi Wan did, he was a sure win. He was on cloud 9 that not only did he defeat Qui Gon but Obi Wan too. He was too focused on the present moment, watching Obi Wan in defeat then think of what could happen standing around gloating.
Anakin should've jumped just ahead of Obi Wan, proceeding with the duel. However, they both wanted to end it then and there. Obi Wan got lucky and jumped "far enough" and "surpassed" Vader. He knew what Anakin was going to try, he probably even did the "high ground" speech on purpose. If theres anything left of Anakin, he's very prideful. He was going to show up Obi Wan, and instead of thinking rationally he just jumped.
But I agree, that in the end it doesn't exactly make sense.
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Arawn_Fenn
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4/12 9:58pm
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The crucial point which you mentioned is that Anakin wants to end the fight then and there. He doesn't simply want to "reset" the fight to stage 1 by jumping to a safe distance beyond Obi-Wan. If Anakin wanted to get out of the reach of Obi-Wan he could simply have floated a little distance away on the droid.
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4/12 10:48pm
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Hmm, it could have something to do with the positioning in each scenario. Obi-wan, in TPM, is vertically distant from Maul, but horizontally extremely close. So, technically, it's close combat. Anakin was both horizontally and vertically distant from Ben, and he was at an angle that would allow a slice to cut off his limbs. In TPM, Ben is too close for Maul to do anything as opposed to Anakin, who gave Ben ample time and distance to prepare as well and enough space to attack.
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4/13 7:12pm
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Simple Obi-wan KNOWS Anakin like the back of his hand.
I really think Anakin didn't think he'd kill him. Anakin seemed to be semi trying, honestly. Anakin saved Obi-wan's life 25 times in the last month. Obi-wan really has left a bad taste in my mouth since ROTS. I look on him as a sort of opportunist. He totally used Padme and got her in severe trouble and doesn't take a shred of responsibility. He really must have hated her. He let her just die, instead of getting her an oxygen tank and a heart monitor. How can two "master" Jedi just sit around sighing? How about some freakin CPR? And he leaves Anakin to suffer horribly to death, which, yeah he deserved it as a rule, but he didn't deserve it from Obi-wan, whom he was very loyal to. I don't think Obi-wan really cared for him, who just dragged his unconscious heavy butt to safety with a crashing ship. Anakin was better off listening to Palpatine, but he had more loyalty than that. Obi-wan really didn't.
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Arawn_Fenn
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4/13 9:35pm
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I thought there was a heart monitor.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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4/13 9:51pm
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NelanisGhost posted:
He really must have hated her. He let her just die, instead of getting her an oxygen tank and a heart monitor. How can two "master" Jedi just sit around sighing? How about some freakin CPR?
I was really angered by Padme's death for quite some time aswell. But in justification, I choose to believe that Obi Wan and Yoda are thinking of the force instead of Padme. Think about it, if she lived, Vader would sense her in a second. He'd find her, and the twins. I choose to believe Padme feels this aswell, thats why she "looses the will to live". Far fetched, but I didn't write the script.
NelanisGhost posted:
And he leaves Anakin to suffer horribly to death, which, yeah he deserved it as a rule, but he didn't deserve it from Obi-wan, whom he was very loyal to. I don't think Obi-wan really cared for him, who just dragged his unconscious heavy butt to safety with a crashing ship. Anakin was better off listening to Palpatine, but he had more loyalty than that. Obi-wan really didn't.
Yeah, I don't agree with that either. If Obi Wan truly loved Anakin life a brother, he'd just finish it. Obi Wan either
1. Thought Anakin was finished - and left him to suffer a terrible painful death alone IN SAND
2. Thought Anakin would survive- and live the rest of his life as a half robot alone.
Either way, Shogg on Anakin.
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4/14 1:53am
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For the pure reason that Obi-wan is better!!
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