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The Jedi Mind Trick and the General Populace Misconceptions
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Jinngerbread
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4/15 7:01pm
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The Jedi Mind Trick and the General Populace Misconceptions
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How common was the Jedi Mind Trick on the populace? There seems to be a fair amount of resentment towards Jedi in general when they do this particular act. Padme's offhanded comment makes me wonder just how much the general population knew about what Jedi could do and how the could bend others to various manipulations of the mind.
Do you think there were perhaps some rules or guidelines to help Jedi know when to use a mind trick or was it up to each individual Jedi to use as their best (and sometimes faulty) judgment? What about moral ramifications of changing someone's mind without their consent? Was the mind trick a last resort or the easiest method out of a sticky situation? Is it a standard technique, easy for all Jedi to do, or is it harder for some than others?
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LemmingLord
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4/15 7:36pm
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I believe it is something reserved for masters to use at their discretion. If you achieve the rank of jedi master, you should have the wisdom to use it properly and only for knowledge and defense...
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voodoopuuduu
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If you achieve the rank of jedi master, you should have the wisdom to use it properly and only for knowledge and defense...
Maybe in theory. But in the cases we see it used, that wasnt the case. Qui-Gon tried to use it to get Watto to accept funny money. Obi-Wan used in ANH to lie to the authorities.
The fact that Padme knew and was worried about it would lead one to believe that it was common knowledge.
And whether the Jedi used it often or not, would still make anyone very suspious of a Jedi, because they couldnt really tell if it was used on them or not.
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DarthSticky
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4/16 4:28am
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Voodoo, the two examples you gave show that they were using the mind trick only in extreme circumstances.
Qui-Gon with Watto: The Queen of Naboo is stranded on a criminal controlled planet when the fate of her planet rests on her getting to Coruscant quickly.
Obi-Wan with the stormtroopers: He knows exactly what R2-D2 is carrying and also knows that the stormtroopers are looking for R2-D2. Getting R2-D2 off Tatooine may be the key to defeating the Empire.
In both of these situations there is grave danger and potentially millions of lives hang in the balance of both of them.
On the other hand, if you had brought up Obi-Wan's use of the mind trick on the death-stick dealer in AOTC, I would agree completely that his use of his power was rather arbitrary...
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JediCleric
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The resentment directed towards the Jedi was not so much related to their ability to utilize a 'Jedi mind trick'.
Rather a larger and more resonated sense of distrust and abhorence was felt in dealings with the Jedi Order due to their general nature. That generalized nature consistently demonstrated itself to be brash, overconfident, unapologetic, intruding, as well as high and mighty.
When Palpatine presented the option to view the Jedi Order as traitors to the Republic, that idea was all too well accepted by all too many.
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LemmingLord
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Let us not forget that Qui Gon was considered a rogue who didn't follow the code of the jedi. I doubt very much if Obi Wan (as a master), Mace or Yoda would have even attempted it on Watto for the funny money... 
Obi Wan using the mind trick in a new hope was absolutely for defense.. If they would have been caught..they would have died. You can't get much more "self-defense" then that.
The use of the mind trick on the death stick salesman while seemingly arbitrary, was actually a gift to the guy. It is my understanding that death sticks are an illegal illicit substance. Jedi are supposed to hold up the Republic law. He basically let the guy off easy with a warning; he could have arrested the bloke!
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rechedelphar
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Watto seemed to have heard of the mind tricks as had jabba.
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Hmmm, personally, I don't think the Jedi use the mind trick much at all, but it's been used enough for it to have become almost of an urban legend amongst the people. Where they say, "Don't cross a Jedi. Change your mind he will. Change the way you think. Be wary. Treat them with respect because he can see your thoughts!"
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rumsmuggler
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rechedelphar posted:
Watto seemed to have heard of the mind tricks as had jabba.
Watto's species are naturally immune to mind tricks, just like the hutts.
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Darthbane2007
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Well, is there any reason for people NOT to fear the Jedi Mind Trick?
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EmeraldBlade
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Any Jedi with enough skill can use it, and they are hardly flawless in their judgment.
Of course they are going to use it to manipulate situations to their advantage.
There is no hard and fast rule and even if one was implemented the powers would still be abused.
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EmeraldBlade
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4/19 12:34pm
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Darthbane2007 posted:
Well, is there any reason for people NOT to fear the Jedi Mind Trick?
Bingo.
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MASTER_DOODOO
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Obi Wan was the best at the jedi mind trick. His never fail.
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voodoopuuduu
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Because Obi-Wan only used it against druggies and mind-numbed stormtroopers. 
Which brings up the point of why didnt he use it against Jango Fett when he first met him.
Obi-Wan : You will follow me to the old folks home on Coruscant in your ship.
Jango: I will follow you to the old folks home on Coruscant in my ship.
It would have saved a lot of trouble and transport problems.
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EmeraldBlade
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Well, the Jedi mind tricks are legendary but it is difficult to make much sense of them.
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Arawn_Fenn
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voodoopuuduu posted:
Which brings up the point of why didnt he use it against Jango Fett when he first met him.
They only work on the weak minded. 
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