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What would Yoda have done if Anakin had told him Palpatine was the Sith Lord?
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Padme501st
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5/13 11:59am
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RE: What would Yoda have done if Anakin had told him Palpatine was the Sith Lord?
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well it could have gone in different ways
1) Anakin runs to Yoda and tells him that Palpatine is Sidious. Yoda, sensing Anakin's struggle, sends him to Obiwan (who he knows can handle Anakin better) for the purpose of getting him out of the way. He would have thought it through and even discussed it with the other jedi in an emergency meeting before acting
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2) send Anakin to the jedi council room (just like Mace) because of the fact that he always thought Anakin's future was too cloudy. He then would have gone alone (to beat Sidious before he did something they couldnt control, like Mace)
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3) taken Anakin with him and no one else
However, no matter which way he picked, Yoda would have acted the same once he got to Palpatine, he wouldnt have threatened with a lightsaber or a threat of arrest. He would have done his usual chit-chatting to see where Sidious was going to take it. If Sidious wanted to fight, he would fight; if Sidious wanted to talk he would talk. And he wouldnt have taken other jedi with him unless he talked it over with the council, they were all just easy targets for Sidious. If he decided to wait and talk to the council, he might have gotten Mace to come home and help him. As we can see, Mace is powerful in his fighting but Mace would then have to go with Yoda's flow and i dont know if that would have worked out.
I agree, Sidious was always 3 steps ahead of the jedi... and he knew the only person that could undo Anakin's path to the darkside was Obiwan, that's why he stresses obiwan to Anakin before executing Order 66 "Every single Jedi, including your friend Obi-Wan Kenobi, is now an enemy of the Republic." He knew he had to stress it cause Anakin was close to Obiwan, unlike the other jedi who never trusted Anakin
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ChestRockwell
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5/14 5:00pm
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Actually I imagine Yoda would have done the exact opposite and taken Anakin and no one else.
Anakin was the first Jedi to draw a saber on Sidious if you think about it, he does his duty to the council and spills the beans yet they dont want him to go? That makes Anakin wonder about all he has been told about the jedi being bad and wanting to overthrow things.
Yoda was wise and would think if Anakin was the chosen one then he would be the one to destroy the sith. In fact Anakin would of porobably killed Sidious right in front of Yoda whether Yoda told him to or not. Killed him after Yoda softened him up a bit...lol
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DarthDuckie
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5/14 5:21pm
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Maybe, but I reckon as long as Sidious had the Padme card up his sleeve, he was always going to have the most influence over Anakin. Padme meant more to Anakin than anything, his duty to the Jedi included.
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Nichtganz
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Remind him of his mother, ***** squirt do you think your mum would want you to become this?
He's like a 42 year old women between pms medication. (in terms of emotinalness)
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Malikail
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5/17 7:12pm
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it occurs to me nothing would have changed for another reason.
At the time Anakin told Mace he and the other jedi were already on their way to Palpantine to force his hand on ending the war.
Events would have played out better if Anakin hadn't been involved at all.
The only way i can see a different outcome is if Anakin doesn't find out at all.
Then Mace and the Jedi go off to confront Sidious, 3 die, Mace kills Sidious and the galaxy is saved.
Anakin was the catalyst and the executioner for the damnation of the galaxy at the sith's hands.
I guess the best thing for everyone would have been Dooku killing Anakin at the end of Ep2.
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PMT99
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5/18 4:23am
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Actually, it will be the worse thing for everyone because if Anakin dies, then the prophecy would be lost forever and the outcome will be the same as it was in EP3. Only it will change the outcome of ROTJ since Vader won't be around to kill Sidious and fulfill the prophecy. I doubt that Mace would've been able to kill Sidious on the count that he's too powerful for any Jedi to handle and would've delivered the same suckerpunch to Mace just like in the film even if Anakin wasn't around to help him.
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Malikail
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5/18 8:47am
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we saw Mace beat him.
we saw yoda fight him to a near draw, edge sidious but it was dang close.
I have not even a 1% doubt that at the time of RotS Mace can beat Yoda, it is because Yoda is a lot closer to pushin up daisys than his prime.
It is Anakin who saves Sidious, it's clear on film.
No Anakin + Mace vs. Sidious duel = Dead Sidious.
that's what i saw in the film, i don't read the books so all i have to go on.
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DARTHLINK
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5/18 9:40am
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I was thinking Yoda would have handled it better.
Yoda knew Anakin was the Chosen One, and he would make sure Anakin faced Sidious with them, but only Anakin could kill Palpatine, but here's ne problem: Even if Yoda did say: "We're with you on this. Your destiny will be here, Chosen One." or something like that...
It all rests on wether or not Anakin can stop believing in Palpatine. The guy is a calculating person, and he'll make up some crap like: "The Jedi are using you, Anakin. Once you kill me, they'll just dispose of you."
It would take that AND Yoda's quick thinking to get Anakin back. But all Yoda will do is just spat out lessons Anakin had heard millions of time.
All he needs to hear is: "Sidious is a liar. Padme isn't in any danger. Siths don't look out for the well-being of other people. Your mother would want you to achieve your destiny for the good."
My verdict? It would wind up the same unless Yoda quickly peiced everything together in the critical few seconds before Anakin starts attacking either him and the posse or Palpatine.
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Padme501st
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5/18 10:11am
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Malikail posted:
we saw Mace beat him.
we saw yoda fight him to a near draw, edge sidious but it was dang close.
I have not even a 1% doubt that at the time of RotS Mace can beat Yoda, it is because Yoda is a lot closer to pushin up daisys than his prime.
It is Anakin who saves Sidious, it's clear on film.
No Anakin + Mace vs. Sidious duel = Dead Sidious.
that's what i saw in the film, i don't read the books so all i have to go on.
Well the thing is, if Dooku had killed Anakin in Ep. 2 the war would have been very different than the one we see in Ep. 3. Which means, Palpatine could have been no more or he got a plan B that the Jedi get sucked in and they all die anyways (and Palpatine is usually pretty good with changing plans). Except that with Anakin's death, there is no Leia or Luke and both being important factors in the rebellion later on... the outcome of that would have been very different and even deadly for the rebellion. So your theory could work, or it could be worse, it's hard to tell.
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Malikail
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good point.
my theory does indeed depend on those 4 jedi still going to confront Palpantine at that moment and it probably would not have played out that way if Anakin had died.
there is truly a series of decisions that lead to this moment a change to any of the decisions might have altered the outcome.
I personally don't think Yoda could have done anything to change it, his influence over Anakin is almost none, and it is yoda who implies the prophecy might have been misread.
I think if there is any one decision we see on film leading up to the moment Anakin turns that might have changed the outcome it's sending Kenobi to kill Grevious.
If they send them together, the jedi survive, if they don't send Kenobi then he has the best chance to reach Anakin.
But this decision was also a set up and even if the Jedi hadn't fallen into the trap that time, i agree with you Sidious would just lay another or different trap and win anyway.
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PMT99
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Malikail posted:
we saw Mace beat him.
we saw yoda fight him to a near draw, edge sidious but it was dang close.
I have not even a 1% doubt that at the time of RotS Mace can beat Yoda, it is because Yoda is a lot closer to pushin up daisys than his prime.
It is Anakin who saves Sidious, it's clear on film.
No Anakin + Mace vs. Sidious duel = Dead Sidious.
that's what i saw in the film, i don't read the books so all i have to go on.
We don't even know if Mace actually defeated Sidious because there are so many incidents that would indicate that Sidious threw the fight like the quick disposal of 3 Jedi, Mace having a lightsaber pointed at his chest, and Anakin showing up by the same time that Sidious goes down. That would indicate that Sidious could sense Anakin coming to his rescue which means that he never needed saving and he could've killed Mace at any time but Sidious had to make Anakin take that final step to the Dark Side before that could happen.
Therefore, a no Anakin + Mace vs. Sidious duel = Dead Mace.
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Malikail
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and speculation without evidence = unsupported argument.
there's nothing, and visually there easily could be, to tell us Sidious knew Anakin was coming.
As to the quick disposal, well 2 went down instantly and 1 lasted half a second.
I find it to be comical that so many on these boards think Yoda unbeatable, but all other Jedi are equal, i am not saying you hold this view.
My take is my take, so as to Jedi prowess in duels i'd put Mace way over Yoda at the time of the films, Dooku (jedi or sith) about equal to Yoda, Kenobi a good bit behind, and the rest of council is bringing up the rear and not necessarily closely. Anakin does not appear because depending on how he fights he can either rank #1 or somewhere quite a bit behind Kenobi, we got to see him do both in the same film.
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I agree with that summary, except maybe I'd have Yoda slightly ahead of Dooku. I felt he had the slightest of edges in AOTC. Anakin is unrankable. He can be unbeatable or extremely average, depending on how his brain's functioning on any given day.
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Arawn_Fenn
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PMT99 posted:
Malikail posted:
we saw Mace beat him.
we saw yoda fight him to a near draw, edge sidious but it was dang close.
I have not even a 1% doubt that at the time of RotS Mace can beat Yoda, it is because Yoda is a lot closer to pushin up daisys than his prime.
It is Anakin who saves Sidious, it's clear on film.
No Anakin + Mace vs. Sidious duel = Dead Sidious.
that's what i saw in the film, i don't read the books so all i have to go on.
We don't even know if Mace actually defeated Sidious
Yes we do. Lucas said so.
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DRush76
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I think that Yoda would have done the same as Mace. Although I wonder if he would have bothered to try to arrest Palpatine.
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