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What would Yoda have done if Anakin had told him Palpatine was the Sith Lord?
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PMT99
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5/26 7:57am
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Arawn_Fenn-
George says a lot of things and does something else. What transpired in the fight scene doesn't really match his words.
Malikail posted:
and speculation without evidence = unsupported argument.
It isn't speculation if the proof is being shown on film.
Malikail posted:
there's nothing, and visually there easily could be, to tell us Sidious knew Anakin was coming.
If Sidious can sense Anakin in danger even when he's on another planet, than he can sense him approaching his office.
Malikail posted:
My take is my take, so as to Jedi prowess in duels i'd put Mace way over Yoda at the time of the films, Dooku (jedi or sith) about equal to Yoda, Kenobi a good bit behind, and the rest of council is bringing up the rear and not necessarily closely. Anakin does not appear because depending on how he fights he can either rank #1 or somewhere quite a bit behind Kenobi, we got to see him do both in the same film.
My take is that Mace and Yoda are equal in Jedi dueling and Sidious could overpower them both. He only held back with Mace just to lure Anakin into his final turn to the Dark Side.
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Arawn_Fenn
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>>George says a lot of things and does something else. What transpired in the fight scene doesn't really match his words.
Supposedly. But it seems like this particular Lucas myth, once embedded, allows you to disregard anything he says. Guess what? He's been consistent on this issue. End of story.
Ultimately "what transpired in the fight scene" doesn't need Lucas to explain it. Mace's kick is obviously not staged by Palpatine. Also, the script backs Lucas up ( odd, that ).
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LordNyax113
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5/26 10:33am
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Mace Windu most certainly got the drop on Sidious.
One must also take into consideration the fact that Mace used a volatile and unpredictable fighting style that was never encountered by Sidious before. Knowledge is power.
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Joe_Garelli
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In the novelization of ROTS we see Yoda talking with Mace Windu as a background note, it means that Windu contacted him about what Anakin Skywalker had told him and they decided to take the Republic back again, and Mace Windu told Yoda that he had selected three of the best jedi masters to help him arrest Palpatine, they agreed upon things and the conversation was finished so Yoda would have done the same thing that Mace Windu did and probably would have brought Windu and the three other jedi with him, as it would have been safer to face a Sith Lord with several Jedi Masters instead of alone without backup.
Because Sith Lords focus on combat training and martial training more than jedi do and are tougher in duels i conclude that Yoda would have brought a lot of backup, maybe even it would have been six jedi masters instead of four, just to be safe and make sure that the arrest would go more smoothly, i also think that Yoda might have pushed Palpatine into his desk after he leaped over it and tried to attack the group, thus stopping Palpatines first strike and stunning him and allowing the jedi to get to him first.
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PMT99
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
>>George says a lot of things and does something else. What transpired in the fight scene doesn't really match his words.
Supposedly. But it seems like this particular Lucas myth, once embedded, allows you to disregard anything he says. Guess what? He's been consistent on this issue. End of story.
Ultimately "what transpired in the fight scene" doesn't need Lucas to explain it. Mace's kick is obviously not staged by Palpatine. Also, the script backs Lucas up ( odd, that ).
First off, Lucas is not entirely consistent and second, Mace's kick doesn't mean squat because we've seen many fighters throughout the saga get kicked to the ground and yet they've kept on fighting (with or without lightsabers). Palpatine most definitely staged his own defeat on the count that he can sense Anakin fast approaching his office and neither Lucas nor his script can change what he put on-screen.
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Arawn_Fenn
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^^^Mace's kick doesn't mean squat because we've seen many fighters throughout the saga get kicked to the ground and yet they've kept on fighting (with or without lightsabers). Palpatine most definitely staged his own defeat on the count that he can sense Anakin fast approaching his office and neither Lucas nor his script can change what he put on-screen.
We've seen many fighters throughout the saga get kicked to the ground?
And yet they've kept on fighting?
And this has WHAT to do with Palpatine faking? 
"neither Lucas nor his script can change what he put on screen"
That's the whole point: "Palpatine most definitely staged his own defeat" is NOT on screen, it's your own personal interpretation of events. Others have different interpretations of the SAME on-screen events. So we go to the script, and Lucas' words on the subject.
Lucas hath spoken.
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here we go again:
Palpatine is a FAKE!!!!
His whole duel with Mace is a FAKE!!!
That whole duel is a SEt-UP to FINALLY TURN Anakin, FRAME the whole Jedi Order, and To have a VALID reason for the JEDI PURGE and to BECOME an EMPIRE.
I guess no one pays attention to DIALOGUES anymore huh???
LISTEN to what PALPATINE say to Anakin before this duel.
"You must sense what I've come to suspect, the Jedi Council wants control of the Republic. They are planning to betray me."
ANAKIN STILL TURNS HIM DOWN AND VOWS TO FIND THE TRUTH.
"You do know, don't you. If the Jedi DESTROY me, any chance of saving her will be lost."
All of it LEADS to PALPATINE being the VICTIM.
Or A WILD COINCIDENCE!!!
It seems like all the Mace supporters just Fast Forward everything up to the Mace duel.
So I guess Palpatine was really kidnapped huh??? Coz that's what GL also say at that part of the scene. 
Mace fought Palpatine, the DISGUISE of the Dark Lord who was holding back to finally TURN ANAKIN which was TOP on his TO DO LIST.
Yoda fought Darth Sidious the Dark Lord of the Sith himself.
BIG DIFFERENCE!!
Anyways, Yoda would have done it differntly and Sidious deduced that and that is why HE SENT HIM to Kashhyk by having his Separatist invade the Wookkies.
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Yoda: Mace, Agen, Saesee, Kit: Come with me you will. Anakin, To Ex Gal 4 you must go, immediately.
Mace: I have a very special mission for you. Look for the temple with my beacon there. It will lead you to all our forbidden Jedi records. Sith holocrons there must not be recovered by the Chancellor! Wait until I give you the all clear. That is an order. When you come back, you will be a full Master.
*six months later, Anakin looks at Padme happily smiling with twins and Obi-wan in a holo*
Anakin: Dammit!
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
^^^Mace's kick doesn't mean squat because we've seen many fighters throughout the saga get kicked to the ground and yet they've kept on fighting (with or without lightsabers). Palpatine most definitely staged his own defeat on the count that he can sense Anakin fast approaching his office and neither Lucas nor his script can change what he put on-screen.
We've seen many fighters throughout the saga get kicked to the ground?
And yet they've kept on fighting?
And this has WHAT to do with Palpatine faking?
The fact that Palpatine had another lightsaber ready when he fought Yoda. He may have had that saber stashed in his robes while Mace has him cornered. He has the element of surprise and he knows that if Mace drops his gaurd, Palps could take advantage of that by delivering a suckerpunch move upon him but instead, he chose to fake weakness so that Anakin will turn against Mace.
Arawn_Fenn posted:
"neither Lucas nor his script can change what he put on screen"
That's the whole point: "Palpatine most definitely staged his own defeat" is NOT on screen, it's your own personal interpretation of events. Others have different interpretations of the SAME on-screen events. So we go to the script, and Lucas' words on the subject.
Lucas hath spoken.
But Lucas's words aren't helpful and neither is the script.
The script had Obi-wan and Owen Lars as brothers but Lucas changed that. Lucas wanted Luke's sister to be someone else but he chose Leia to be that sister instead and he had Anakin standing in Palpatine's corner even before the Mace Windu posse came to arrest him but Lucas decides to have Anakin show up after the Mace/PalpSidious fight is over.
Neither Lucas nor the script can be trusted so we should rely mostly on what is on-screen.
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PMT99 posted:
He may have had that saber stashed in his robes while Mace has him cornered.
Speculation. Going by the novel, it seems unlikely, given the detail that the novel invested in the concealment of the saber Palpatine used in the duel.
PMT99 posted:
But Lucas's words aren't helpful and neither is the script.
PMT99 posted:
Neither Lucas nor the script can be trusted
That's ridiculous. You have no reason to say that other than an attempt to cut off Lucas' viewpoint completely.
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Let's stay on topic here. The subject is what would Yoda have done, NOT was Palpatine faking.
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emporergerner posted:
I do not excatly now how Yoda would have handeld it, but my guess is he would have been more cautious. Mace just kinda went in and said come with us your under arrest. Yoda I think would have handled it better and much diffrently.
Considering Yoda's actions following what happened to the Jedi, I would say that he would have reacted in the same way as Mace. I doubt very much that he would have handled the matter better. He certainly didn't do a great job in his showdown against Palpatine.
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Instead of Mace, I just picture Yoda flying out the window into Palpatine's office without a right hand.
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I suspect that Yoda bests Palpatine, just as Mace did... but does NOT succumb to the temptation to kill Palps. That is not a knock on Mace; he simply seems (based on very limited data, since I go 99% by what I see on screen) to be a BIT ...I don't know... darker? harsher? more pragmatic? ... than Yoda. And, interestingly... If Yoda did NOT try to strike down the "helpless" Palpatine.., would Anakin have turned? Would Palps have had his hand forced (those of you who believe he was faking helplessness to draw Anakin to the Dark Side) to attack Yoda in that situation, thereby actually nudging Anakin BACK to the Light side of the Force? Fun to think about.
And I know, i know, all of Palps fans will be howling, since Yoda "lost" his duel with Palps later in ROTS. I see that as a TKO, the battle having been decided by the luck of the draw (hey, it happens... and in real life, it happens quite a bit) - if Yoda falls a foot or so one way or the other, or Palps does, the whole thing could have gone the other way.
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SHAD0W-JEDI posted:
I suspect that Yoda bests Palpatine, just as Mace did... but does NOT succumb to the temptation to kill Palps. That is not a knock on Mace; he simply seems (based on very limited data, since I go 99% by what I see on screen) to be a BIT ...I don't know... darker? harsher? more pragmatic? ... than Yoda. And, interestingly... If Yoda did NOT try to strike down the "helpless" Palpatine.., would Anakin have turned? Would Palps have had his hand forced (those of you who believe he was faking helplessness to draw Anakin to the Dark Side) to attack Yoda in that situation, thereby actually nudging Anakin BACK to the Light side of the Force? Fun to think about.
I think Anakin would still turn even if it was Yoda who had Palpatine cornered. It wouldn't matter if Yoda tries to kill Palps or not since Anakin will still feel that Yoda didn't help him on how to stop the Padme's death-visions from becoming real. He also felt that PalpSidious gave him a solution on how to solve his problem even if it meant betraying the Jedi and the name & person of Anakin Skywalker to do it. As for Yoda not succumbing to the temptation to kill PalpSidious like Mace, I think Mace had the right idea because letting Palps live would spell certain doom for everyone--the Jedi Order, the Republic, and the galaxy. PalpSidious would be free to incriminate the Jedi by labeling them as traitors to the entire Senate which will lead them to approve of his Order 66 plot against the Jedi. Then, he will abolish the entire government once he builds his Death Star and will use it to blow up every planet in the galaxy. This is survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, get them before they get you or to put it in short---perform a preemptive strike. If Yoda didn't kill PalpSidious, he would've gone done just as Luke did but unlike him, Yoda won't have anyone to save him.
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