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What would Yoda have done if Anakin had told him Palpatine was the Sith Lord?
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Rossa83
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4/26 9:56am
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You can't compare Yoda and Mace facing Sideous. The situations were quite different. Yoda was convinced that they had to move in one strike to take out the Sith - he may have been wrong, he may have been right. We'll never know...
I think Yoda would have made Sideous reveal himself completely. Sideous was three steps ahead because he was able to lurk in the shadows. Now that that was out, he no longer had that advantage.
I somehow picture Yoda bringing Anakin (getting to hear Anakin's full story first), then enter Palpatine's office calmly saying that OBW had defeated GG, and Palpatine would now have to relinquish his emergency powers. If he had played it very smart, he would have brought a few senators as well (the ones he knew he could trust).
(I don't necessarily believe Yoda would have handled it like this, but it is a possibility)
I don't really think Mace did anything wrong (Anakin did). But I still think Yoda would have handled things differently...
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PMT99
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4/26 10:43am
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r8hitman posted:
Why would he (meaning Yoda) be in so much of a rush that he would go to fight Sidious alone(while a perfectly, capable Obi-Wan Kenobi is sitting right there to assist him)?
Because Yoda knows that Sidious will murder Obi-wan with the blink of an eye. He even told Obi-wan that he's no match for Sidious and didn't want to endanger him hence why Yoda went after Sidious alone.
r8hitman posted:
Why not take Obi-Wan with him and then go tackle Anakin together(or the emperor...but the key word here is TOGETHER.)?
Because Yoda also knows that Sidious and Anakin will sense that the other is in danger and will come to their rescue (which is exactly what happened when Sidious ordered a shuttle for an immediate take-off). It was best that the 2 Jedi went with the "divide-n-conquer" approach against their opponents so that neither Sith lord can come to the other's aid.
r8hitman posted:
Why not contact a few other jedi and get together and plan to tackle Sidious as a team?
And invite another massacre ala the Mace Windu posse? Hell, no. Yoda knows that no other Jedi but himself stands a chance against Sidious.
r8hitman posted:
Mace and Yoda made damn near the same mistake.
At least Mace took a few other jedi with him, [u]but Yoda just jumped up and went after him (Sidious) all on his own.(when he went to destroy the emperor)  
Even when Mace brought a few Jedi with him, Sidious still managed to kill all of them. He would've killed Mace as well even if Anakin hadn't come to rescue Sidious. The Jedi Order was on the brink of extinction and Yoda does not wish to endanger anymore Jedi which is why he told them to stay away and why he went after Sidious alone.
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PMT99
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4/26 11:01am
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xx_Anakin_xx posted:
Well that does raise an interesting question though...why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan work together for a few years (like 3-5) after going in hiding and then go after the Emperor themselves?
Because they know that the Emperor is too powerful for both of them. He'll kill Obi-wan instantly and have an evenly-matched fight with Yoda which will end with neither killing the other just like in the film. Plus, the Jedi have lost their element of surprise because the Emperor would now be beefing up security in case they went after him again. Finally, they have to protect Anakin's kids since they are in danger of being discovered by the Sith and are unable to defend themselves.
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Rossa83
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4/26 12:42pm
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Yeah, but OBW was growing more and more powerful. If they had decided that both should go for Vader, and elminate him, they might stand a good chance of taking down Sideous. He was as powerful as Yoda, so naturally having OBW there to distract him wouldn't be such a bad idea. Look at how Mace fights (or doesn't fight) when the possee is killed! He stays in the background, twirling his lightsaber as he watches his fellow Jedi being slaughtered. HE should go in front immediately - I doubt Yoda would make that mistake. And I doubt a sane Mace would make that mistake!
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Sidious69
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Yeah, but OBW was growing more and more powerful. If they had decided that both should go for Vader, and elminate him, they might stand a good chance of taking down Sideous. He was as powerful as Yoda, so naturally having OBW there to distract him wouldn't be such a bad idea. Look at how Mace fights (or doesn't fight) when the possee is killed! He stays in the background, twirling his lightsaber as he watches his fellow Jedi being slaughtered. HE should go in front immediately - I doubt Yoda would make that mistake. And I doubt a sane Mace would make that mistake!
True, Obi-Wan has grown more powerful after his Grevious duel but a Yoda and Obi-Wan vs. Sidious would only be a minute longer than the Mace and Kit-Fisto vs. Palpatine until Obi-Wan suffers the same fate of Kit-Fisto.
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Let's say that Yoda gathers the entire Jedi Council and as a group they move to take Palpatine into custody. How would that have turned out? He's certainly not going to surrender peacefully.
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Arawn_Fenn
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If they all tried to get into that little room, would Palpatine just escape through the window or something?
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heathdaniel
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I honestly think that if it had been Yoda in that situation, there would have been no Episodes IV-VI because Yoda would have been more cautious and more Jedi-like. He would have arrested Palpatine and Anakin's senses intact. Just my opinion, though.
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If Yoda would have been there to make the arrest then the scene would have been about the same as when Yoda confronted Sidious at the end of ROTS. Sidious would be strong enough to fight off the Jedi for a few minutes until his army showed up. Then the Jedi would have been forced into hiding while Sidious, with Anakin at his side, announces to the galaxy that they successfully fought off a Jedi rebellion.
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Drac39
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I think Yoda would have not immediatly went to arrest him. What I think could have been of more benefit would be to confront Palpatine within the Senate or a large scale occasion.
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NelanisGhost
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Mace was better matched against Palps than Yoda. If Anakin would have showed up just three mintues later, it would have been over.
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DarthDuckie
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I think things would've ended up much as they did.
Ther jedi had two broad choices when it came to dealing with palpatine once it had been established that he was the Sith. First, confront him in combat as Mace did. I think if Yoda had done this, things would have played out pretty much as they did with Mace. Yoda didn't relate to Anakin particularly well. Sidious would've been able to turn Anakin against him as he did against Mace. Secondly, going down the legal / constitutional path. I think if they tried to do this, palpatine would've been acquitted of all charges, leaving the jedi looking even worse than they already did. palpatine would then have had even more leverage to get done what he wanted. In any case, Palpatine was going to asssume control of the galaxy I feel. The only difference might have been the amount of blood shed in the process.
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Malikail
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it wouldn't have made a difference, yoda said as much earlier when commenting that their line of discussion takes them to a dark place, when discussing how the Jedi would have to take direct control of the senate.
Sidious had the Jedi boxed in, it doesn't matter what they do, unless they kill Sidious out right before the Jedi massacre can happen they still lose.
Yoda would not have been able to beat Sidious as we saw in the film, they fought to a draw more or less and Mace beat Sidious.
I for one accept what i was shown as the intent, Mace is capable of killing Sidious and Yoda isn't, that's what we were shown and this thread is not the place for that argument.
The bottom line is neither Yoda nor Mace could kill Sidious then, it wasn't in the cards, wasn't their destiny, wasn't the will of the force....it' just wasn't going to happen.
That was Anakin's destiny.
The only chance it could have been different is if someone had been able to get Anakin to listen and kill Sidious before the slaughter, it is Anakin's destiny, only he can do it.
I do not believe Yoda would have waited till Kenobi got back to try to arrest Sidious, he would have gone and tried, maybe a different attempt but still a failure.
The only person who had any chance at all of reaching Anakin and keeping him from betraying the jedi was Kenobi, but they'd already sent him after Grevious.
The Jedi were done in before that moment. Making a different decision wouldn't save them. I do think the only notable difference if Yoda had been told instead of Mace is that Yoda would have survived, either way i think he'd have gotten out alive unlike Mace.
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Nichtganz
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Yoda would bring along Anakin, and tell him to confront the dark lord. All anakin needed was shown faith, he felt like no one believed in him.
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DarthDuckie
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Yoda, Anakin and Sidious in the one room would only ever result in one outcome - the same one that Mace suffered. Anakin would always side with Sidious in the end as Anakin only ever believed what he wanted to hear, rather than what was actually true. One mention of Padme by Sidious and Yoda would be bungy jumping out the chancellor's window, minus the bungy cord.
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