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Would it have made more sense for AOTC Anakin to turn to the Dark Side?
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Drac39
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5/11 6:31pm
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All three stages of Anakin's life have included his ambition to become something more than himself. He desires greatness and this is at the heart of all of his emotions and this is what Palpatine exploits.
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi
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5/11 8:32pm
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I was fine with Anakin's turn taking place in ROTS. If he had fallen in AOTC, I think it would have felt rushed (even more so than some feel it does in ROTS). Palpatine's seduction of Anakin in particular needed to take place over the course of all three PT films.
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DarthDuckie
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5/11 8:52pm
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I quite like the way the turn's portrayed and paced over the 3 films. I think we see a good balance of Anakin's admirable qualities, with a disturbing feeling that there are other factors at play in his make up from the get go, which are systematically exploited to the max by Palpatine.Even in TPM he's quite defiant and a bit of a smart ass to Yoda and the other masters.
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eirene1988
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5/12 3:37am
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I have been a SW fan for years, but some time ago I was watching ROTS when I noticed for the first time this scene: Anakin was venting out his frustrations to Kenobi, who then said, "Anakin, the only reason the Council approves of your appointment, is because you're close to the Chancellor." And then he goes on to ask Anakin to spy for the Chancellor.
As we know, the movies only show short periods of time (usu. a few weeks) in Anakin's life at various ages; thus we can infer from the dialogues and actions in each film, what had transpired in the intervening years. In AOTC, when Kenobi was complaining of Anakin's arrogance to Yoda and Mace, Yoda said that Anakin's behavior is quite typical ("Yes, a fault more and more common amongst Jedi...even the older, more experienced ones") and Mace displayed great confidence in Anakin's destiny. Apparently, Anakin is not so different from other padawans his age.
But in ROTS, we know that the dynamics have tremendously changed. The Council showed no trust in Anakin due to his closeness to Palpatine. It seems that Palpy is deliberately orchestrating this, i.e. alienating Anakin from the Jedi. Even though at this time, Anakin still identified himself as a Jedi and is still fighting for their cause, he became more and more disillusioned because NONE of the masters trusted him, despite his never being disloyal to them up to that point, and his successes in battle (to quote Kenobi: "he will not fail me, he never has"). See the difference: in AOTC, everyone had great confidence in him, in ROTS, even though he's matured, Yoda and Mace didn't trust him and even doubted the prophecy. In ROTS, Anakin is no longer a typical Jedi for his age. Normally, as padawans become knights, they are more trusted by their peers and masters, and in turn show more trust and loyalty to the masters and the Order. But the exact opposite happened to Anakin.
Back to Kenobi's comment: THE ONLY reason the Council approved...the Council is unwittingly using Anakin for their own benefit. As the war progressed, their morale also become less clear (spying the Chancellor and killing him without trial are both against the Jedi Code--and these remarks were made by Anakin, showing his disillusionment that the Order no longer lived up to their ideals, to his ideals). If you think about all this, I think that it's PERFECTLY logical for ROTS Anakin to turn, and not AOTC Anakin. In ROTS, the only person who trusts him is Padmé, whom he's afraid to lose; he's mistrusted by everyone and disillusioned by the Order. This makes is very easy for Palpy to manipulate him. I also think that Anakin is not power-hungry at all; it is the Order who, in ROTS, failed to show him some respect and appreciation. Instead of mistrusting him without any proof (we have proof of his killing Dooku illegally, but they don't), they should have helped him and showed him some gratefulness, just like they did with the other knights and in AOTC. If you think about it, Anakin is in a very sorry position in ROTS; if I were in his position, most likely I would have fallen to the dark as well.
People's first reaction when seeing Anakin turn is, "How can he do that? He's a good person...oh right, he's too ambitious and wants too much power, and can't control his emotions." But if we look closer, giving it more than a second's thought, we'll be screaming instead, "How can he NOT turn to the dark side under those circumstances? If you take in all the factors, his decision--albeit wrong and disastrous--is what any human being would have made under the circumstances(save for the most extraordinary or unemotional, of course). 
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DarthDuckie
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5/12 1:22pm
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Yep, and to be on the jedi council you need to be extraordinary and unemotional. That was the problem.
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Droid
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5/12 5:23pm
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Anakin leaves the love of his life to become a Jedi in Episode I. In Episode II Shmi dies in Anakin's arms, so he turns to Padme for affection. In Episode III the fear of losing Padme tempts Anakin to turn to the dark side. In the end the thing that turns Anakin away from the dark side is the fear of losing his son.
There are a couple of ways to restructure the prequels so that Anakin turns at the end of Episode II, but simply pushing back the turn without changing a bunch of other stuff doesn't make sense. Padme wouldn't have married Anakin if his name was Darth Vader, and Anakin wouldn't have turned to the dark side unless he thought that it was the only way to save Padme's life.
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EmeraldBlade
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5/13 2:08pm
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Anakin already looked like a lost cause in AOTC.
Murdering the Sandpeople showed that he could never abide by the Jedi way that requires extreme levels of discipline.
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Icestar63
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5/13 2:51pm
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I think if he did turn to the dark side in episode 2, it would have been rushed and too soon.
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Droid
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5/13 6:03pm
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It would have been interesting if at the end of Episode II Anakin would have officially resigned his commitment to the Jedi Order so that he could legally marry Padme. Then when the Jedi try to remove Sidious from power Anakin could come back on the scene as the savior of the republic to protect Palpatine from the Jedi rebellion.
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