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Dooku's force lightning. Was it an unfortunate addition?
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Icebreaker
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Aug '01
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5/8 9:51pm
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RE: Dooku's force lightning. Was it an unfortunate addition?
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You know if what zombie said is true regarding the addition of the lightning into AOTC, then that explains a lot. I always thought that when Dooku does the lightning and Obi-Wan just kind of stands there with his lightsaber and absorbs it as very strange looking. Obi-Wan doesn't even seem to move it to deflect the lightning. It just seems like it was attracted to it. But if that effect was added later and wasn't initially intended, then it makes a lot more sense. They just grabbed a scene of Obi-Wan standing there with his lightsaber. It always looked so unnatural to me. That kind of clears it up.
And as for the lightning in the film. I felt the same way. I felt it cheapened the Emperors ability a bit as well. Too be honest I think a lot of the things we see in the prequels cheapens what we see in the OT. I guess that's for another discussion, but this was definitely one of the things that bothered me when I first watched the film. Plus the whole Yoda using a lightsaber thing really ticked me off. I thought the mastery of the Force meant that you were beyond that type of fighting... oh well. I better stop myself before it turns into a full-fledged rant on my part.
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Darth_frkonalsh2003
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5/8 10:06pm
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I don't think it was bad since Dooku's force lightning is significantly weaker than Sidious's force lightning. It doesn't take anything away from Sidious because Dooku is strong with the force, it just adds that Sidious had vast knowledge on the dark side of the force.
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Nichtganz
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5/9 8:59am
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Darth_frkonalsh2003 posted:
I don't think it was bad since Dooku's force lightning is significantly weaker than Sidious's force lightning. It doesn't take anything away from Sidious because Dooku is strong with the force, it just adds that Sidious had vast knowledge on the dark side of the force.
Wrong, in all instances of Dooku's lightening it actually served its purpose, Sidious's lightening was pretty pathetic. Dooku shouldve just killed sidious, as he was better skilled.
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sith_rising
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5/9 11:06am
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Sidious' lightning is absolutely more powerful than Dooku's, something Yoda hadn't expected.
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Padme501st
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5/9 12:38pm
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i'm kinda torned both ways. In AOTC Dooku using force lightning made me really feel that he was a Sith... not some political guy who happens to know how to use a lightsaber because he is an ex-jedi. It showed dooku for who he really was
However, that scene also lessened the ROTJ scene for me. Now i wonder why didnt they tell Luke that he can use something as simple as his lightsaber to deflect lightning? And Luke is stupid to throw away his lightsaber (symbolism or not) since you can use it to deflect lightning a power which Yoda KNEW palpatine used A LOT! it's like sending a lamb to the slaughter.
Then again if you look at it that way, like someone says the prequels does that to a lot of things in OT, like the older Obiwan. You found out most of what comes out of his mouth are half-truth. I mean not telling Luke that Vader was his dad is understandable... but you found out a lot of other things he said were a play on words.
And strictly movie talking as a lot of people know the movies but dont know the background and EU and all that, the prequels makes the OT even more confusing, including the part about Leia talking about her mom
but whatever, that's not the point
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rumsmuggler
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5/9 3:06pm
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Leia remembering her mother was a force induced memory.
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Nichtganz
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5/9 9:23pm
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sith_rising posted:
Sidious' lightning is absolutely more powerful than Dooku's, something Yoda hadn't expected.
he knocked him off the ledge, I AM IMPRESSED!
Dooku's lightening is obviously inferior as it only causes life threatening harm, and incapacitation.
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Droid
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5/10 6:56am
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Padme501st posted:
Now i wonder why didnt they tell Luke that he can use something as simple as his lightsaber to deflect lightning? And Luke is stupid to throw away his lightsaber (symbolism or not) since you can use it to deflect lightning a power which Yoda KNEW palpatine used A LOT! it's like sending a lamb to the slaughter.
You're assuming that because Obi Wan deflected Dooku's lightning that Luke could deflect Palpatine's lightning? That's ridiculous. Obi Wan had far more training and experience in using a lightsaber than Luke, and Sidious appears to be a hell of a lot more powerful than Dooku.
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Arawn_Fenn
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5/10 11:51am
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Nichtganz posted:
sith_rising posted:
Sidious' lightning is absolutely more powerful than Dooku's, something Yoda hadn't expected.
he knocked him off the ledge, I AM IMPRESSED!
Dooku's lightening is obviously inferior as it only causes life threatening harm, and incapacitation.
While throwing Anakin across the hangar.
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xx_Anakin_xx
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And now in the CW movie trailer, Anakin deflects Dooku's lightning with his saber. So maybe it is just based on circumstances - any given day anything can happen. 
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Arawn_Fenn
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He could have deflected it in AOTC.
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rumsmuggler
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I agree. Anakin was just too full of himself to use proper tactics and logic.
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SHAD0W-JEDI
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I have always wondered, a bit idly, if Vader's mechanics didn't, perhaps, make him BETTER able to withstand Sidious' lightning attack. Granted, we have only visuals to go on, but I think we have to assume that Sidious was holding NOTHING back when he was lashing Vader with it, yet Vader was able to scoop up Sidious and slamdunk him down the power core. He didn't block the lightning, he just withstood it. Granted, the effort proved to be fatal in the end, but...
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sabarte
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Dooku tends to use Force lightning in a different way tactically than Sidious - short bursts, often one-handed, for quick incapacitation, as opposed to streams of constant lightning to overwhelm. He does nail Asajj with both lightsabers out in the earlier cartoon.
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FutureEmperor
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7/8 11:00pm
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But I kind of wish they had NOT had Dooku (if they had to include this character) as a Sith. I mean, can't a Jedi leave and be 'dark' but not EVIIIIIIIL?
It seems like some of what Lucas says is "hey, maybe the REPUBLIC is the bad guy here." But then he goes and makes the entire Republic lifeless droids (who are not terrifying in any way compared to the Bounty Hunters Vader talks to,) cowardly cartel aliens or evil beings like Grievous and Dooku.
The use of lightning by the Emperor is a "WHOA!" moment. The only character who uses it should be him. But asking Lucas to appreciate his own work is too much, clearly.
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