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Why do the Sith follow the rule of two?
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venereth
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May '08
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5/5 8:46am
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Why do the Sith follow the rule of two?
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Hello all,
I couldn't think of where this belonged, so here seems a good a place as any.
My question is why do the Sith follow the Rule of Two?
One would think that such power hungry beings wouldn't want to share power. Especially, when considering the fact that the apprentice ALWAYS kills the master.
Why take on an apprentice at all?
Any comments?
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EmeraldBlade
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5/5 10:27am
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RE: Question about the Sith
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All explained in Path of Destruction.
The confusing part is that whilst the Sith embrace selfishness, they must be selfless for it to work.
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Darthbane2007
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5/5 12:08pm
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RE: Question about the Sith
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venereth posted:
Hello all,
I couldn't think of where this belonged, so here seems a good a place as any.
My question is why do the Sith follow the Rule of Two?
One would think that such power hungry beings wouldn't want to share power. Especially, when considering the fact that the apprentice ALWAYS kills the master.
Why take on an apprentice at all?
Any comments?
Have you read my moind or something, because I was pondering the same question.
Anyway, I've wondered this also. Why take on somebody to share the knowledge/Power with when the apprentice will either kill you, try to get an apprentice of their own to kill you, or you yourself must kill the apprentice?
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sith_rising
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5/5 2:14pm
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RE: Question about the Sith
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As greedy and selfish as the Sith are, I think they realize that the Sith Order is larger than they are. They have committed their lives, even their souls, to the Dark Side. Over a thousand years of knowledge is containted within the brain of the Sith elder, and that's all gone if he allows himself to die within passing on his knowledge. Also, a Sith couldn't die knowing that the Sith will fade away without avenging themselves. The Jedi have to be destroyed. If that means taking an apprentice who may betray you, that is a necessary evil. I'd imagine that's part of the "social contract" a Sith signs when he takes his Darth title.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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5/5 2:43pm
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I agree, Path of Destruction and Rule of Two are two great Darth Bane books that explain this concept.
Shortened down, it's because if theres a brotherhood, like there once was, everyone is equal and the strongest don't rule. Banes famous quote:
"Always two there are, no more no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it."
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Sidious69
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5/5 4:48pm
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Sith Apprentice:
He needs the Sith Master to learn more about the Dark Side of the Force until one day he'll become the Master.
Sith Master:
He needs a Sith Apprentice to have someone to carry out his command and to do the grunt work for him.
The apprentice will do EVERYTHING for the Master which is why the MASTER have an apprentice, until the apprentice becomes more powerful to become the Master or be replaced by a more powerful apprentice.
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LemmingLord
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5/5 5:14pm
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The Sith don't follow the rule of two.
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sith_rising
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They don't want to, it just turns out that way. Once a third party is introduced, someone dies, and they're back to two.
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Nichtganz
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5/5 9:32pm
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Sith dont follow the Rule of two, as mentioned it just happens that way.
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Loco_for_Lucas
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5/5 10:41pm
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sith_rising posted:
As greedy and selfish as the Sith are, I think they realize that the Sith Order is larger than they are. They have committed their lives, even their souls, to the Dark Side. Over a thousand years of knowledge is containted within the brain of the Sith elder, and that's all gone if he allows himself to die within passing on his knowledge. Also, a Sith couldn't die knowing that the Sith will fade away without avenging themselves. The Jedi have to be destroyed. If that means taking an apprentice who may betray you, that is a necessary evil. I'd imagine that's part of the "social contract" a Sith signs when he takes his Darth title.
Yeah, it seems like the apprentices they seek out are the types they deem worthy as striking them down when the moment comes.
In ROTJ, Palpatine seemed ready to die at Luke's hand once he was ready. But when Luke declared he would never give in to the dark side, that's when Palpatine decided the young Jedi had to be destroyed. Til then, it seemed like Luke was being groomed to be the ultimate Sith from ESB and on. Vader was goading him on to destroy him, trying to tap into the boy's fear and anger. Even after Luke seemed beaten, Vader still saw the potential to harness the boy's raw power of the Force for the Dark Side, offering to take him as his apprentice, seeing the boy worthy of striking EVERYONE down and becoming the ultimate Sith Lord.
It seems like greed, anger, and hatred are the keys to keeping the Dark Side in dominance, and they're willing to give themselves and others to that cause.
We saw it in ROTS, when Dooku was defeated. Palpatine saw the potential in Anakin and decided it was time to sacrifice Dooku; willing to forfeit all for an apprentice that would be powerful enough to dominate. It seems that to a Sith master, everything and everyone is expendible, and when the time is right, even he, the Sith Master, himself.
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FirBholg
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5/6 11:31pm
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Preserving the Sith teachings and lineage outweighs any individual Sith Lord's desire to hold on to power.
Also Sith Lords choose and train their apprentices, and probably outlive most pf their apprentices, only being defeated by an apprentice who is clever, skilled and subtle enough to kill their master - itself an affirmation of "the right of might".
It is a double safe-guard. An unworthy apprentice will be destroyed before he can depose his master, but the more powerful/subtle/gifted Sith will be the one to survive in any case.
Limiting the number of active Sith to two kept them from being found by the Jedi, and having two at all times kept the Sith order in business until the time for Sith revenge came.
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Nichtganz
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To me Sidious was not a sith lord, he did not follow the sith code either. Most sith would attack their master and engage them in a duel. Sidious like the weakling he is killed his master in his sleep. The sith believe victory is only possible by showing superiority over your enemy. Sidious destroyed the jedi order, through a well-constructed plan, likely his master's, however it was not in the tradition of the sith.
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sith_rising
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The films show that the Sith usually betray their masters, rather than flat-out challenge them to a duel. Obviously, the apprentice would lose. Sidious killed his master in his sleep and Vader killed his master when he was facing away from him. For the Sith, it's treachery over honor.
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Nichtganz
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for the sith of the movies.
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DarthDuckie
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It's a sacrificial and selfless thing. If a Sith dies without passing on the knowledge, the Sith ideology is gone. Each Lord effectively sacrifices himself for the continuity of the order.
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Which is one of the problems I have with the rule of two. A sith cannot be selfless, they are to think only inwards. They are supposed to strive for their survival and superiority. Darth Bane was only the real Sith lord who ever held this rule to regard, IMO.
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