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Why do the Sith follow the rule of two?
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Arawn_Fenn
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5/10 3:53pm
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Sidious69 posted:
Even Wookieepedia is going either way with it.
Well, now I'm convinced. If Wookieepedia can't decide, then what hope is there for us mere moratls?
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rumsmuggler
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I'm of the mindset that Palps truly lost the saber battle, and started faking fear and weakness afterwards(right when Anakin was strolling in.)
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PMT99
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I think PalpSidious threw the fight because at the beginning, he had Mace on the run after killing the other 3 Jedi. He even could've killed Mace in the same quick fashion as he did with those Jedi when he had his lightsaber pointed directly at Mace's chest but he chose to prolong the fight. Finally, it's no coincidence that Anakin shows up at the same time that Mace kick PalpSidious into the ground which tells us that Sidious can sense Anakin coming to his rescue, hence why he's prolonging (and threw) the fight. If George wanted me to believe that Mace actually defeated Sidious, he should make it more clear as in, don't make it look like Mace is in trouble and have Anakin show up after Sidious becomes "scarred and deformed".
That would make Anakin's turn more believable.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Well, in all fairness, there are moments in pretty much every lightsaber battle in the saga where one of the combatants is what we would call "wide open" and the opponent does not take the shot. It's even seen in the almighty OBW-QGJ-Maul fight. So a little suspension of disbelief might be required ( although the Force may have something to do with it ).
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sith_rising
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It's also a bit of deception on Mace's part. His posture when Sidious points the blade at him is inviting an attack, and is a somewhat aggressive posture because it encourages the opponent to come within striking range.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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I also have a hard time believing that Palps was truly overpowered by Mace. It wasn't coincidence that he was helpless as soon as Anakin walked in.
It was staged, and by making it seem like he was doomed, he gave Mace to space to make the move. It made Mace look crazed and dark, because Sidious was all of a sudden helpless, defenseless and "at the jedi's mercy".
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LemmingLord
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Ok, let's get this back on topic. I'm changing the subject line to remind people what the topic is.
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TaradosGon
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The Sith follow the rule of two because when there is more than two Sith they tend to form alliances and turn on each other. Such fighting amongst the Sith helped the Jedi defeat them. The rule of two helped to limit fighting within the Sith order, but did not wipe it out completely, as the Sith Master was always looking for the strongest apprentice, and the Sith apprentice may secretly instruct an apprentice of his own in the hopes of overthrowing his/her master. But, with only two members in the Sith order at any one time, such activity was not going to catch the attention of the Jedi.
In the Q & A section at www.Starwars.com/qa there is an entry under "Episode III Lore" which asks the question, "Why do the Sith want revenge?" and in the answer it states:
"By Episode III, the Sith are ready to reveal themselves. There's no more need for subterfuge, no more need for skulking in the shadows, no more need for having only two Lords at a time. Darth Sidious, the Sith mastermind, will make good on a thousand-year plot to finally avenge the fallen order, destroy the Jedi Knights, and retake command of the galaxy."
Which is possibly why Vader and Palpatine could openly talk to each other about seducing Luke to the dark side, with the understanding that he would be a third Sith Lord. But old habits die hard, and neither Vader nor Palpatine seriously wanted the other around. Vader wanted to ultimately to overthrow Palpatine (see Episode V), and Palpatine wanted Luke to kill Vader and take his place (see Episode VI).
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JediLight
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5/14 10:59am
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TaradosGon posted:
The Sith follow the rule of two because when there is more than two Sith they tend to form alliances and turn on each other. Such fighting amongst the Sith helped the Jedi defeat them. The rule of two helped to limit fighting within the Sith order, but did not wipe it out completely, as the Sith Master was always looking for the strongest apprentice, and the Sith apprentice may secretly instruct an apprentice of his own in the hopes of overthrowing his/her master. But, with only two members in the Sith order at any one time, such activity was not going to catch the attention of the Jedi.
In the Q & A section at www.Starwars.com/qa there is an entry under "Episode III Lore" which asks the question, "Why do the Sith want revenge?" and in the answer it states:
"By Episode III, the Sith are ready to reveal themselves. There's no more need for subterfuge, no more need for skulking in the shadows, no more need for having only two Lords at a time. Darth Sidious, the Sith mastermind, will make good on a thousand-year plot to finally avenge the fallen order, destroy the Jedi Knights, and retake command of the galaxy."
Which is possibly why Vader and Palpatine could openly talk to each other about seducing Luke to the dark side, with the understanding that he would be a third Sith Lord. But old habits die hard, and neither Vader nor Palpatine seriously wanted the other around. Vader wanted to ultimately to overthrow Palpatine (see Episode V), and Palpatine wanted Luke to kill Vader and take his place (see Episode VI).
Well said.
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SHAD0W-JEDI
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5/14 11:36am
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At times, I have been somewhat critical of how GL developed certain themes, tackled certain challenges, but I have to say that his portrait of evil may be one of the best, one of the most well-developed and three dimensional, in movies. Seriously. In part, that is because he had six movies to work with. But even so...
The Sith are so deliciously ...petty. Mean and common. Their evil is not glamorous, not at its core. It is small and selfish and weak and cruel . And one way you can see this is that they can' trust one another for a second, not one tiny second. They are entirely guided by self-interest. The MOMENT a better deal comes along, anyone is disposable. Dooku seeks to turn ObiWan, Palpatine seeks to turn Anakin, Vader seeks to turn Luke, Palpatine seeks to turn Luke, and on it would go. Dooku is betrayed as soon as Anakin is available, Anakin is dumped as soon as Luke is of more use - and yet if Luke had been killed, Palpatine would have continued to use Vader, and Vader would continue to use Palps, until one or the other could work a deal to his advantage.
Three Sith could never work because, even if it WOULD be in their longer term interest, two would inevitably turn on one, after lengthy scheming and betrayal and such. They simply can't help themselves, their greed and hunger and selfishness wouldn't allow them to tolerate it...
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5/14 4:52pm
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The Rule of Two failed too in the end. I guess it is always good to be certain that one of the two doesn't also happen to be the chosen one of the Jedi 
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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Well even if Vader did kill Palp and remain a sith lord, Luke might also kill him. Then any other apprentice could never move up to the rank of master.
Vader or Luke would be too much to handle. Either one would always remain the master.
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DarthDuckie
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The Sith are inherently flawed in that what gives them their strength also destroys them. The rule of two minimises this, as there is a reduced chance for treachery, but it's still inevitable. The master is always looking for a better apprentice and the apprentice to overthrow the master. Only a rule of 1 would sustain the Sith and for that, immortality was needed or the learning of the Sith would die when the last master did.
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