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rumsmuggler
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Why do people get so hung up on Obi Wan being a Padawan when Maul is also an apprentice?
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Malikail
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Why do people get so hung up on Obi Wan being a Padawan when Maul is also an apprentice?
because they are assuming "all things being equal" which i don't think they are myself.
i think match ups matter. Dooku beat Kenobi easily, Anakin beat Dooku handily, their assumption has Anakin mopping up the floor with Kenobi and we see how that turned out.
Though in this case Dooku is probably 4th most deadly living Jedi/Sith in the PT, and i think more than a match for Maul in almost any circumstance.
Anakin was able to defeat Dooku by over powering him, Mace Windu and Sidious could no doubt do the same. Yoda fought him to a draw and did not display the level of power needed to simply over power Dooku, however Yoda is more experienced, skilled and polished; this stretched the fight beyond Dooku's ability to win it and forced his retreat.
Match ups matter when there is enough raw power or skill and experience involved. I did not see Maul exhibit the skill and experience nor the power it would take to defeat Dooku or any of the other "masters" i've listed.
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Nichtganz
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Malikail posted:
rumsmuggler posted:
Why do people get so hung up on Obi Wan being a Padawan when Maul is also an apprentice?
because they are assuming "all things being equal" which i don't think they are myself.
i think match ups matter. Dooku beat Kenobi easily, Anakin beat Dooku handily, their assumption has Anakin mopping up the floor with Kenobi and we see how that turned out.
Though in this case Dooku is probably 4th most deadly living Jedi/Sith in the PT, and i think more than a match for Maul in almost any circumstance.
Anakin was able to defeat Dooku by over powering him, Mace Windu and Sidious could no doubt do the same. Yoda fought him to a draw and did not display the level of power needed to simply over power Dooku, however Yoda is more experienced, skilled and polished; this stretched the fight beyond Dooku's ability to win it and forced his retreat.
Match ups matter when there is enough raw power or skill and experience involved. I did not see Maul exhibit the skill and experience nor the power it would take to defeat Dooku or any of the other "masters" i've listed.
I disagree, when i saw maul fight, i saw anger, fury, and passion, the true qualities of a Sith Maruder, i have my money on him against all the above.
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Dooku.
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rumsmuggler posted:
Why do people get so hung up on Obi Wan being a Padawan when Maul is also an apprentice?
Well Maul took out Qui Gonn who had been a Master for quite a few years. However, Obi Wan was able to conquer impossible odds [waits for the "high ground" conversation to explode] and kill Maul. But when it came to Dooku, he was bested in both lightsaber combat and force use.
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rumsmuggler
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It was a bit odd how Obi Wan went from badass to getting taken out so easily, but Dooku is the man. As far as Maul vs Dooku, it could go either way, in my opinion.
I doubt that Palps would train Maul and have him be weak in force powers.
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venereth
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Tyranus, no contest.
We're talking a former Jedi, who trained Grievous on various forms of saber combat. And Grievous was no slouch.
He killed many Jedi before his untimely demise. Yeah, he was a machine and a wicked fast one at that, but the fact remains.
And to piggyback off of a former post, Maul was taken out by Obi-Wan who was still a Padawan. Okay, Maul might have been tired from taking on both Kenobi and Qui-Gonn.
However, my vote most def. goes to Tyranus
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Nichtganz
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5/9 8:55am
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venereth posted:
Tyranus, no contest.
We're talking a former Jedi, who trained Grievous on various forms of saber combat. And Grievous was no slouch.
He killed many Jedi before his untimely demise. Yeah, he was a machine and a wicked fast one at that, but the fact remains.
And to piggyback off of a former post, Maul was taken out by Obi-Wan who was still a Padawan. Okay, Maul might have been tired from taking on both Kenobi and Qui-Gonn.
However, my vote most def. goes to Tyranus
Maul was toying with him, overconfidence. he couldve just knocked obi's head clean off the shoulders they were resting on.
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venereth
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Nichtganz posted:
Maul was toying with him, overconfidence. he couldve just knocked obi's head clean off the shoulders they were resting on.
Good point. I guess the old saying is true: Pride goeth before a fall.
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Malikail
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Nichtganz posted:
Malikail posted:
rumsmuggler posted:
Why do people get so hung up on Obi Wan being a Padawan when Maul is also an apprentice?
because they are assuming "all things being equal" which i don't think they are myself.
i think match ups matter. Dooku beat Kenobi easily, Anakin beat Dooku handily, their assumption has Anakin mopping up the floor with Kenobi and we see how that turned out.
Though in this case Dooku is probably 4th most deadly living Jedi/Sith in the PT, and i think more than a match for Maul in almost any circumstance.
Anakin was able to defeat Dooku by over powering him, Mace Windu and Sidious could no doubt do the same. Yoda fought him to a draw and did not display the level of power needed to simply over power Dooku, however Yoda is more experienced, skilled and polished; this stretched the fight beyond Dooku's ability to win it and forced his retreat.
Match ups matter when there is enough raw power or skill and experience involved. I did not see Maul exhibit the skill and experience nor the power it would take to defeat Dooku or any of the other "masters" i've listed.
I disagree, when i saw maul fight, i saw anger, fury, and passion, the true qualities of a Sith Maruder, i have my money on him against all the above.
Anger, Fury, Passion huh?
that and $2.10 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, won't do too much to help you win a duel when you're out matched in skill and power.
If he'd lived many more years who knows, but at the time of his death Maul wasn't all that, but he did have style.
Edit: There is an argument for maul vs a lot of people but saying "all of the above" is silly, Mace, Sidious and Yoda would destroy Maul so fast and so easily we'd think they were merely swatting a fly. Let's try to keep what we know about the characters in perspective. That said, if he didn't have potential he wouldn't have been Sidious apprentice in the first place, till he found one with a bit more potential...
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[quote=rumsmuggler]Why do people get so hung up on Obi Wan being a Padawan when Maul is also an apprentice?
because they are assuming "all things being equal" which i don't think they are myself.
i think match ups matter. Dooku beat Kenobi easily, Anakin beat Dooku handily, their assumption has Anakin mopping up the floor with Kenobi and we see how that turned out.
Though in this case Dooku is probably 4th most deadly living Jedi/Sith in the PT, and i think more than a match for Maul in almost any circumstance.
Anakin was able to defeat Dooku by over powering him, Mace Windu and Sidious could no doubt do the same. Yoda fought him to a draw and did not display the level of power needed to simply over power Dooku, however Yoda is more experienced, skilled and polished; this stretched the fight beyond Dooku's ability to win it and forced his retreat.
Match ups matter when there is enough raw power or skill and experience involved. I did not see Maul exhibit the skill and experience nor the power it would take to defeat Dooku or any of the other "masters" i've listed.
I disagree, when i saw maul fight, i saw anger, fury, and passion, the true qualities of a Sith Maruder, i have my money on him against all the above.
[quote] Anger, Fury, Passion huh?
that and $2.10 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, won't do too much to help you win a duel when you're out matched in skill and power.
If he'd lived many more years who knows, but at the time of his death Maul wasn't all that, but he did have style.[/quote]
Had he been at Dooku's level of expeirence, Dooku would be torn to shreds, not to mentione anyone in the jedi order at the time being.
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Anakin losing to Obi-Wan on Mustafar just proves that nobody is unbeatable. Darth Maul has as good a chance against Dooku as Anakin did. For all of Dooku's experience and lightning and technique, he was defeated by an aggressive young man who valued rage and combat prowess over wisdom and Force knowledge. Maul underestimating Kenobi was his fatal flaw, just as Dooku underestimating Anakin was his. I'd say it all depends on how serious they are.
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True..
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Tyranus would win.
Obi-Wan as a padawan defeated Maul, though not easily. And Yes, Maul was beating Obi-Wan until the end but still wasn't able to end the padawan.
Tyranus on the other hand, schooled a more powerful Obi-Wan not once but twice.
Tyranus on Eps. 2 and 3 would destroy Ep. 1 Maul quite easily.
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I would guess Dooku but who's to say for sure what would happen in a single fight? No one would think Obi-Wan would defeat Darth Vader but he did, so it's possible Maul could win... but my money would be on Dooku.
What I want to see is a Star Wars video game that has a bonus section where you can have characters duel from throughout the Star Wars universe... and it would need to include people like Sidious, Yoda, Darth Vader in both suit and as Anakin, plus good Anakin, etc. Who wouldn't want to see something like Yoda and Mace versus Darth Sidious and Maul... or other combinations. It would be a huuuuuuge hit.
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