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DarthDuckie
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Jan '04
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Date Posted:
5/11 8:25pm
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RE: Darth Maul vs. Darth Tyranus
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It's all very well saying that if Maul was more experienced he could've done this or that. The fact was that if he didn't develop a different mind set in combat pretty quickly, he was always going to have a limited lifespan dueling more focused beings. As was proven with Anakin, raw power and impressive skills will only go so far if the mind is not where it needs to be.
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EECHUUTA
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5/11 9:17pm
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If the duel was between Ep.1 Maul and either Ep.2 or 3 Dooku, I would say that Dooku would win. Dooku has been around a lot longer (at least 40 years more) and so has racked up a lot more experiance. Maul didn't have nearly as much experiance, and Dooku would have known to never let his guard down until his enemy was dead. Maul thought Kenobi was already done for, because he had already beaten Kenobi's Master and had been beating Kenobi. So he thought he could relax a bit and wanted to prolong the fun with Kenobi, as he knew he could defeat him easily. Why shorten the fun by killing him then and there, when you could draw it out and savor it bit by bit, and make him suffer? If he got out of hand, then *slash* end of problem!
Dooku was most likely a practical man. An enemy is dangerous until he is dead, and would have just killed them as quickly as possible to be done with it. It was safer that way, better then needlessly drawing out a fight. But most likely he had to learn that the hard way, but unlike Maul, he survived to learn from his mistake. If Maul had survived, I doubt he would be dumb enough to make that mistake again.
But, if it was an Ep.2 Maul, Dooku would have less of an advantage as Maul came to aquire experiance and learned to hone further his Force powers. Maul would have grown up a bit, and be less reckless. But Dooku would probably still defeat him, but just barely.
Ep.3 Maul could possibly defeat Dooku. Dooku is a master swordsman, but this is also Maul's talant too. Plus Dooku doesn't often give in fully to the Dark Side, which Maul very frequently does. Dooku had been raised in the Jedi Order and had a relatively pleasent childhood growing up, compared to Maul, who was treated most savagely and with extreme cruelty by Sidious in order to make him vicious. And Maul would become extremely deadly when enraged. It is unknown how much Force power Maul had at the time of Ep.1, but Sidious doesn't seem to like picking folks with merely average Force potential, as a Sith's goal is to only get the best so they will have a suitible lacky and to ensure that the Sith Order is continued with the strongest.
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Sitara
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5/12 1:58am
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This is a rediculous debate. The answer is obvious to anyone who has seen DOtF and then seen Dooku's laughable duel in Ep2.
Maul would win hands down. Dooku moves so SLOW; furthermore his reflexes are DULL. (witness how even Jango Fett was swifter in drawin ghis blaster and shooting down Trebor on the balcony; had it been Maul there Maul would have decaptiated Trebor in midair, and somersaulted back onto the balcony before Fett even know what had happened)
Maul was the master of the two bladed saber-staff, not just any twit in the order (Jedi or Sith) can master such an intricate and deadly weapon. Note, due to his age and experiance Dooku would have an advantage in the force, but then so did Jinn.
Maul would crush dooku easily, just like he would crush Vader. 
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Nichtganz
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5/12 6:53am
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Sitara posted:
This is a rediculous debate. The answer is obvious to anyone who has seen DOtF and then seen Dooku's laughable duel in Ep2.
Maul would win hands down. Dooku moves so SLOW; furthermore his reflexes are DULL. (witness how even Jango Fett was swifter in drawin ghis blaster and shooting down Trebor on the balcony; had it been Maul there Maul would have decaptiated Trebor in midair, and somersaulted back onto the balcony before Fett even know what had happened)
Maul was the master of the two bladed saber-staff, not just any twit in the order (Jedi or Sith) can master such an intricate and deadly weapon. Note, due to his age and experiance Dooku would have an advantage in the force, but then so did Jinn.
Maul would crush dooku easily, just like he would crush Vader.
Agreed.
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rumsmuggler
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5/12 8:31am
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Some form of Maul tried and failed to kill Vader in one of the issues of Tales.
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r8hitman
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5/12 9:04am
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It seems to me that people just want to pick Dooku just to be different.
They dont want to pick Maul because he has that "cool" factor, so people will try to overanalyze Dooku and elevate him to some kind supreme level of sophistication and talk all of that "elegant warrior" crap and try to make Maul out to be some kind of bumbling idiot. 
It's like the nerd wanting to see the jock humbled. 
Maul would kick the living **** out of Dooku, and there is no level of analyzing this that would change that.
Dooku WAS NOT this sophisticated warrior who helped Sidious get to the next phase in his plan, he was a pawn who was brought in because Sidious' true plan (Maul taking over after Sidious) fell through.
A better matchup would be Anakin/Vader vs. Maul.
Especially an ep.3 Maul (imagine how powerful he would have been by that time).
But IMO the only person who Dooku will ALWAYS defeat is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
He just seems to always have his number, and that's probably because of the old saying "styles make fights".
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Icestar63
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5/12 12:44pm
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In terms of force power I would say Dooku is better, in terms of lightsaber fighting skills I would say Maul is better, but I think Dooku would win because he is much more experienced and is better with force powers.
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rumsmuggler
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Where is the proof that Dooku is more powerful than Maul? The lack of lightning from Maul doesn't mean much to me, since there isn't anything proving or disproving whether he could do it or not.
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sith_rising
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5/12 2:56pm
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And even if Maul can't create lightning, the films show that it's relatively useless against someone who has mastered the lightsaber, not to mention that Maul would expect it from another Sith Lord. He has two lightsaber blades, so the chances of getting fried are pretty slim. Obi-Wan deflects Dooku's lightning one-handed, and doesn't think twice about it. Sidious' lightning is a different story...
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Nichtganz
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5/12 4:10pm
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yes you can deflect it with a blaster pistol.
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Sidious69
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5/12 4:50pm
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Where is the proof that Dooku is more powerful than Maul? The lack of lightning from Maul doesn't mean much to me, since there isn't anything proving or disproving whether he could do it or not.
From Wookieepedia if that site matters.
And Dooku humiliated Obi-Wan not ONCE but TWICE.
While Maul cannot even do that to a LESS POWERFUL OBI-Wan.
Look wise, Ray Park is way better than Ian, Samuel, and Christopher.
But story wise Maul is not powerful than their respected characters.
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sith_rising
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But the twice-humiliated Kenobi defeated Anakin, who quickly dispatched the almighty Dooku. That logic doesn't apply. I suppose Luke beating Vader means that Luke could easily defeat Dooku? Doubt it.
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rumsmuggler
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Dooku having the right stuff to whip Obi Wan doesn't necessarily make him more powerful than Maul.
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DarthDuckie
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The who beat who and who didn't doesn't prove anything because there are so many apparent contradictions. Trying to work out Maul v Dooku is impossible really. Personally I think Dooku would have sufficient psychological edge to beat Maul, but I can't say so any more definitively than someone who favours Maul's ferocity with the sabre.
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Sidious69
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5/13 5:08am
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I think there's no contradictions on all the lightsaber duels.
I think Obi-Wan grew in power after his duel with Grievous and his battle with Order 66.
And he was on most part on the defense vs. young Vader.
And he also has experience over young Vader and knew more about Anakin than Dooku does.
Obi-Wan was at his prime at the ending of ROTS and I think he could have beat Tyranus on that moment.
And Luke defeated MECHANCAL Vader which everyone on the PT could. There's no way ROTJ Luke could have beaten YOUNG Vader, Tyranus, or Maul.
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