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"Hit it in the Center Eye"
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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6/21 9:08am
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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There was so much going on that a few seconds of letting your guard down could kill you.
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Arawn_Fenn
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6/21 12:13pm
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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I didn't see a whole lot of missiles or even enemy fire ( until they got close to the IH ).
And when you have buzz droids tearing apart your ship, that's also likely to kill you.
The problem with Force Push/Wave is that the cockpit is in the way, and they're in space.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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6/21 12:15pm
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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Possibly it also has a connection that using the force too much is a bad thing. Jedi usually say to not exploit you're powers but Jedi naturally use the force to pilot. It's why their so good. To use the force to do something else you could be taking away that advantage as well as losing concentration as to where you're flying.
Also, it wouldn't have looked as cool if Obi Wan just force pushed the droids off. Anakin shot at them, damaging Kenobi's ship, and then had to scrape them off. That's a little more suspenseful then just pushing them away
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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6/21 1:29pm
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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It took more time for Anakin to come and destroy all but one of the buzz droids by destroying Obi-Wan's wing. "Bad idea." That's a great line from that segment.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Date Posted:
6/21 5:33pm
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
it wouldn't have looked as cool if Obi Wan just force pushed the droids off. Anakin shot at them, damaging Kenobi's ship, and then had to scrape them off. That's a little more suspenseful then just pushing them away
Of course, but we're looking for in-universe.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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6/21 6:13pm
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I gave one above that. Jedi use the force to pilot as is, to use the force to just simply push the buzz droids off could distract them while trying to fly.
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NelanisGhost
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Date Posted:
6/22 5:39pm
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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My main question is why didn't the Chosen One just use the FORCE to knock the buzz droids off the ship? The boy is gifted but not the brightest. He sure likes doing stuff the hard way. (Luke inherited this flaw since he didn't float Vader down the hall in Jedi.)
How is being attacked not involved in piloting the ship. The thing is right there in front of them. Get real. Obi-wan was even worse since he had to be rescued. It's like being rescued from bugs and you're the Orkin guy.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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6/22 7:05pm
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Maybe Anakin could've just pushed them off, but he's reckless and looks showing off his skills. Jedi's are taught to listen to impulse and thought, if you were Anakin would you first think to push them off or would impulse tell you to shoot at them with your starfighter ion cannons?
If Anakin could've pushed them off, Obi Wan could've too. It takes concentration to pilot a starfighter- especially in a battle the scale of the one they were in. You got to have all senses alert in that case, especially cause their escort squadron was taken out.
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TaradosGon
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6/25 3:51pm
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To use the force requires a bit of concentration and exertion. Staying focused on keeping the ship together probably would have made it hard to reach out with the force and push the droids off the ship at the same time. Look at Yoda when he lifts Luke's ship out of the swamp or keeps the crane from falling on Anakin and Obi-Wan in AOTC, he closes his eyes an concentrates.
I don't think you'll find a definitive in-universe answer, just speculation. I would imagine that to force push the droids off the ship would require greater concentration than simply force pushing a droid otherwise would be, since the force is not being used as an extension of the arm (because the cockpit window is in the way). It's been said in supplementary material that gesturing with a hand during a force push is not 100% necessary but, assists in helping the Jedi focus. Anakin wouldn't have been able to easily manipulate the force between his arm and the droid without damaging the cockpit, instead he'd have to focus on manipulating the force between the outside of the cockpit and the droid; I would imagine such a feat would require greater concentration than could easily be used during a space battle.
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Arawn_Fenn
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It's possible Force pushing requires some kind of grounding ( for lack of a better term ) and thus would be more or less ineffective in the given context.
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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7/5 6:29pm
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Using the Force while flying is like talking on a cell phone or looking at a map while driving; you don't watch where you're driving, and then you're more likely to lose control and crash. In the movie, that means crash/shot up.
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7/5 11:10pm
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RE: "Hit it in the Center Eye"
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Exactly. The Jedi are already using the force to fly their ships through impossible and extremely dangerous zones. To use the force to push a droid off could cause them to fly into some type of debris or put them out in the open to missle attacks.
It seems that Jedi starfighters don't have the best shielding either, as we see in ROTS when Plo Koon gets merked.
Edit: I think you meant "through" rather than "threw." 
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Strilo
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Date Posted:
7/6 12:43pm
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
It's possible Force pushing requires some kind of grounding ( for lack of a better term ) and thus would be more or less ineffective in the given context.
I like this idea. I think that's true.
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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7/6 1:06pm
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However, they might not be using the Force to pilot completely. The clone pilots can't use the Force, and yet they can still fly through the area and not get killed. What I'm saying is that Obi-Wan and Anakin might have been using the Force somewhat, but not 100%.
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7/6 6:03pm
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The Clones are also being blown up effortlessly, and when they do avoid death it's because they're trained soldiers and pilots. Jango is a great pilot to begin with, it would only make sense that Jango's clones were too and especially if they were to pilot clones specifically trained for it.
The Jedi use the force when piloting because they're in smaller and less equipt ships. It's not so much as using the force "100%" but they aren't at the battle to dog fight or stall taking care of the little problems. Obi Wan says it himself,they have a mission to complete. Obi Wan might have been able to stop a few seconds, concentrate on the droids ripping apart his ship and R4 but a few seconds could cost him his life, and he really just needed to get to the Invisible Hand.
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