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TPM fans: How easy is it for you to "shut out" the negativity?
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sith_rising
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6/1 9:20am
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RE: TPM fans: How easy is it for you to “shut out” the negativity?
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lol, spend a few days on the TPM forum over on IMDB, and you'll see the true face of hate! Of course, WORST. MOVIE. EVER. is awarded to pretty much every film over there.
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Strilo
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DarthBoba posted:
I just point to the close-to-a-billion-dollars international gross. Bad movies don't make that sort of money.
One word. Titanic.
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sith_rising
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Come on, you didn't like Titanic? Don't lie.
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sith_rising posted:
I confront the TPM negativity head-on. Listen to the complaints, remind them about how all of these elements are in the OT, and they usually get mad and go away.
Yeah, I hated all those child actors, fart jokes and Gungans in the OT.
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Strilo
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"All" should read "many".
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timmoishere
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6/1 11:01am
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TPM made tons of money not because everyone thought it was good, but because it was the first Star Wars movie in 16 years, and it was very cleverly marketed.
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Other people's views and opinions don't effect my enjoyment when watching movies (or engaging in any art, really) In the end, you have to be confiddent in your own mind. If a movie appeals to you, then what does it matter what others think.
As far as TPM goes, I actually relate to a lot of people's cpmplaints about it, but then theres also a lot in it that I can enjoy.
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zombie
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6/1 1:13pm
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timmoishere posted:
TPM made tons of money not because everyone thought it was good, but because it was the first Star Wars movie in 16 years, and it was very cleverly marketed.
Precisely. Also, as strange as it is, most people that hated it saw the film multiple times, out of devotion to the franchise in the hopes that they would warm up to the film. I mean, nobody saw the film JUST once, even the people that now say it sucks. Its true that movies that make that much money do so because of multiple viewings, but I think TPM is the one example in recent history where fans disliked a film but still went back again, and thats why it continued raking in money well into June and July that summer. Not that there weren't people who liked it and saw it again and again--there certainly were, and one Star Wars fanatic is worth about five regular movie fans, because when people liked Titanic maybe they would see it again but when a Star Wars fan has a new Star Wars film in the theater for the first time in 16 years he will see it four or five times. Also, TPM was a sort of "event" movie like nothing else before it, not even Titanic, so a lot of more casual people went to see what all the fuss was about. Phantom Menace would have made $400 million no matter how good or bad it was.
As far as the original topic goes, I've never had to "convince" myself to like a movie or anything like that, my feeling is if you cannot put out of your mind all the things wrong with the film you probable don't like it deep down; I think if it were any movie other than a Star Wars one people in this camp wouldn't have to think twice about it. If you don't like a movie then don't watch it, if you like a movie then the bad things are overlooked, I really don't think one should dwell on it any more than that.
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
sith_rising posted:
I confront the TPM negativity head-on. Listen to the complaints, remind them about how all of these elements are in the OT, and they usually get mad and go away.
Yeah, I hated all those child actors, fart jokes and Gungans in the OT.
What did you think of the teddy bears, burp jokes, and the 30 minute muppet show?
Or was that Return of the King?
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Loco_for_Lucas
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6/1 1:40pm
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DarthBoba posted:
I just point to the close-to-a-billion-dollars international gross. Bad movies don't make that sort of money.
Pokemon is a multi-billion dollar franchise. Does that speak of its quality? 
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lovelucas
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6/1 1:49pm
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Well now......the negativity is exactly why I am not here more often. I'm done with the conflict, I can't defend what others consider indefensible, and if after discussing and listing the positives of the prequels indicating why they're so important to Star Wars and to me personally, after years of these activities, I've decided to just enjoy them and will not get into combative discussions any longer. At this stage, years (it's been nearly a decade, folks) after TPM made its debut, this film and eventually all the prequels will not be relevant to the majority of filmgoers. I know what they mean to me. and now I don't have to argue for them any longer.
but ....it's so rich, it's soooooo rewarding to have a glimmer of reconsideration from a poster who was one of the bashers. Just priceless. Didn't happen in these here parts but in another, highly active SW forum.
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zombie
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lovelucas posted:
At this stage, years (it's been nearly a decade, folks) after TPM made its debut, this film and eventually all the prequels will not be relevant to the majority of filmgoers. I know what they mean to me. and now I don't have to argue for them any longer.
To me, thats great, thats what movies should be like in any circumstance, some people love them, some hate them, but if you like them then who cares what other people think. ROTJ fans have been dealing with this for twenty five years, never mind ten. For me, Temple of Doom has always been not only my favorite Indy film but one of my favorite films period, but its never really bothered me that a lot of people dislike it, its always perplexed me in some way but I can also understand why people dislike it (different from the original, too dark and unpleasant, not much character development, etc), and there are enough people that agree with me as well, but in the end it doesn't really matter.
I think what has tired a lot of people out is that they got attached to this idea that people would "See the light" one day, that eventually people would like TPM and see the film their way, but its never happened, people will continue to like it and people will continue to dislike it. Considering how lowly the prequels are considered in so many circles, I find it strange that some think this place is "too negative" considering its one of the most prequel-friendly sites on the net, if you want to discuss the films theres few better places than here, but that doesn't mean you won't encounter the occassinal naysayer, in fact I would find its strange that you would not expect to, when you discuss things you have to be prepared to deal with the opinions of those that don't agree with you just as much as those people have to be prepared to deal with the opinions of those that don't agree with them.
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sith_rising
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Anytime a TPM basher complains about wooden acting or bag dialogue, I just remind them about the OT's "laser brain" line. There's absolutely no comparison, whatsoever.
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sith_rising posted:
Anytime a TPM basher complains about wooden acting or bag dialogue, I just remind them about the OT's "laser brain" line. There's absolutely no comparison, whatsoever.
I don't like this bashing of the OT to justify the PT.
My relationship with TPM is confusing..Many of my problems with it are as a result of on-line brainwashing. It's almost as if there are two versions of the movie out there..the "real" one and the "stereo-typical" one. I find myself making lazy jokes at TPM's expense..despite the fact that I loved it when it was released & still do...We live in an age when films have to be either AMAZING! or AWFUL!!!..why can't they just be, let the individual decide. I didn't have a clue that Temple of Doom was considered the lamest Indy movie until I started my online adventures..but now whenever I watch it, I feel the hand of negativity on my shoulder..I'm looking for what's wrong with it instead of enjoying what was always (for me) right. I love the SW community, but at times (especially during the PT vs OT era) I wish I could enjoy it in isolation.
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sith_rising posted:
Anytime a TPM basher complains about wooden acting or bag dialogue, I just remind them about the OT's "laser brain" line. There's absolutely no comparison, whatsoever.
You said it!
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