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TaradosGon
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6/14 6:18am
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So... What would have happened if Dooku had beaten Anakin?
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I think it was on the DVD that Lucas explained that Palpatine wanted to test Anakin, and that if Dooku defeated Anakin then Anakin would be allowed to escape so that he could again be tested in the future.
But, what would happen to Palpatine? Palpatine might have counted on Anakin rescuing him and killing Dooku, but I believe in one of the novels Palpatine openly admits to Vader that had Dooku been stronger, then Dooku would have remained his apprentice.
So, if Dooku successfully prevented the rescue attempt of the Jedi (and assuming Grievous' ship doesn't get shot down) then Dooku and Grievous successfully escape with Palpatine. And with the CIS demanding independence from the Republic, and Palpatine not there to maintain order, the Delegation of 2000 and other senators would be left unchecked in the senate to call for an end to the war, negotiate Palpatine's release - and thus, recognize an independent CIS, and undo a lot of the actions Palpatine took to grant more power to himself. What exactly was his plan B? Palpatine didn't KNOW that Anakin would defeat Dooku, based on what Lucas said, it was a test. So, if Dooku had won... then what? Would Sidious then orchestrate victory for the CIS and then rule an empire that was founded on the CIS instead of the Republic?
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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Well, Anakin (if not killed) might not have gone to the dark side, meaning that there would still be a threat. Then, Palpatine would just keep challenging him with Dooku until Dooku was killed. However, Palpatine would not make an Empire with the CIS; it was a pawn in his master plan, meaning that it would die eventually. He never actually had plans to help the CIS; it was there just to make a war occur.
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TaradosGon
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Sidious doesn't want Anakin killed at this point, so I'd imagine that Dooku would disarm him. At which point both Anakin and Obi-Wan (who is still unconscious) would be in CIS custody. The Invisible Hand then enters hyperspace with Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine aboard. How would the CIS be convinced to let them go? Palpatine's captivity would remove him from control of the Republic. And in a CIS cell he would not be in a position to act as the persona of Darth Sidious. Control of the Republic and CIS would thus fall to Mas Amedda and Dooku respectively.
AFAIK Grievous doesn't know that Palpatine = Sidious, so why would he let him go unless he uses him as a hostage to make a gain for the CIS (which would either stop the war in the CIS's favor or prolong it). I'd imagine Obi-Wan would be executed and perhaps Anakin would be released so that he could ultimately challenge Dooku again somewhere down the line. But without Palpatine at the head of the Republic, it seems like everything that he worked toward could have been undone, as he would not be in a position to control anything. Even if Anakin was released and turned to the Dark Side, Palpatine might be able to gain Vader as an apprentice, but he wouldn't be in a position to initiate Order 66, and the Jedi would not have made a move against Mas Amedda, so he wouldn't have justification for it either.
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SHAD0W-JEDI
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6/14 10:43am
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Palpatine is nothing if not clever. If Dooku defeated Anakin - and assuming Palps did not simply want Anakin killed - then there are plenty of ways he (Palps) could still get out of the situation... esp since, at that time, the only ones in the room were Dooku, ObiWan, Anakin, and Palps. Granted, not as simple as things worked out, but still, not beyond his scheming limits...*S*
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I think Palps just fooled Dooku into believing there was a possibility that Anakin would be defeated. Really, Palps had probably foreseen this [like everything else.] and knew Anakin would be the victor in this round. However, IF Dooku had beaten Anakin, I could see Dooku killing Anakin because he would be unworthy or because of his own jelousy.
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Palpatine told Dooku that if he got the upper hand on Anakin that he was not to kill him. In this case they would let Anakin grow in strength and power for a few more years and then arrange another scenario in which to test his abilities. Palpatine also told Dooku that if Anakin bested him they would know that he was ready and at that point he would step in and protect Dooku (which turned out to be a lie).
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Sidious69
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IF THAT HAPPENED....
Then Palpatine would have let Tyranus kill Anakin.
Because Tyranus will be worthy to become his true apprentice while Anakin becomes a sham and The Chosen One (The only Threat to Sidious) would be destroyed.
He would just find another way to frame the Jedi Order and to become Emperor while still have a reason for Count Dooku's pardon.
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Sidious knew that Tyrranus outmatched him , if the balls dropped so would his head. However they didnt and Dooku's did instead.
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RE: So... What would have happened if Dooku had beaten Anakin?
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I disagree Sidious69. First of all, the Jedi prophecy of the Chosen One bringing the force into balance was inconsequential to Sidious, he either didn't believe in it or was confident that his prowess would be great enough to prevent it from happening. Tyranus was never the true apprentice that Sidious desired because of his age. While he bested Anakin in AOTC, he did so in large part due to Anakin's rashness and inexperience. Several years later Anakin is one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order and thus much more appealing to Sidious.
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What would have happened if Dooku had beaten Anakin?
Well, for starters, the ESB Dooku-Luke battle would have been a little...awkward:
Dooku: There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. Luke, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.
Luke: I'll never join you!
Dooku: If you only knew the power of the Dark Side. Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Dooku: Oh. He told you about that, huh? Well, I guess the whole ruling the Galaxy as "father's murderer and son of murderer's victim" is out of the question?
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Then again, if Dooku did beat Anakin then he probably would've done something to the unconscious Obi Wan. That sounded really wrong.
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If Dooku beats Anakin then Dooku is powerful enough to be at Palpatine's side for the sake of wiping out the Jedi. They probably would have held Anakin and Obi Wan hostage, and when the Jedi arrived with clones in tow for a rescue operation order 66 would have been given and the Jedi would have been slaughtered. Palpatine would have found some way to make the Jedi rescue look like an attempted mutiny to justify declaring war against all Jedi.
Then the Sith would have gone back to their usual tactics where Dooku is looking for an apprentice to help him take out Sidious, and Sidious is looking for a more powerful apprentice to take Dooku's place.
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I think you guys aren't appreciating the importance of Anakin in Sidious' eyes. To him there is no "other powerful apprentice" for him to seek out. There is only Anakin. He has been watching him, befriending him and manipulating him for over ten years. All his years of planning and preparation are centered around turning Anakin. When he reveals himself to Anakin he is putting himself in great danger. A mere flick of Anakin's wrist would end his life yet Anakin does not kill him. All that Sidious' had worked for came down to that moment. There is only Anakin; no one else.
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Exactly. And if anyone's read the novelization for ROTS... Sidious was almost frantic to save him's char-broiled heir, and wondered where he would turn for another apprentice, should Vader die. Good call DJK.
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi posted:
A mere flick of Anakin's wrist would end his life yet Anakin does not kill him. All that Sidious' had worked for came down to that moment.
I always thought Sidious knew how conflicted Anakin was, and that's why he said "I know you would. Your anger gives you focus, makes you stronger." It wasn't so much as to give him that extra insentive to turn, but to betray his conscience so he wouldn't impulsively kill him.
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Then Sidious would know that Anakin was not ready.
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