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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/28 4:25pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	Each individual opinion is purely subjective, but it's an objective fact that amongst the general public, the OT is far more commonly regarded as the better trilogy.
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/28 4:45pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	Honestly the general public is generally stupid and wouldn't know a good film if it bit them in the arse. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/28 4:49pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	I'm not disputing that and nor am I saying that the widespread belief that the OT is better than the PT is correct. I'm just saying that the widespread existence of that view is fact.
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/28 4:56pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	I think the perception is that, sure. Not sure you can prove it as fact without proof. Show us the scientific polls. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/28 5:03pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	Unless there's a poll of everyone in the world who has ever seen the PT and the OT, there's no way of proving for sure that it's a fact. I think the perception is that because so many people have heard so many people say so.
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/28 5:04pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	I just take exception to the use of the term fact. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/28 5:08pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	...or is it the fact that you take exception to. Seriously, though, you're right. I can't say it's an absolute fact any more than I can say that most people prefer the Godfather 2 to the Godfather 3 or Blues Brothers over Blue Brothers 2000. My claim is unscientific and outrageous!
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/28 5:09pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	No I totally agree that the general perception or consensus among casual film goers is that the PT was not as good as the OT. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Boba_Squeak Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 5/28 10:37pm Subject: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT ?
	The best scenes from the PT rival, outclass and destroy those from the OT. Well, OK, maybe not. It depends on your ... cough ... point of view. Take the celebration scene that closes TPM. Here is one of the most radical and subversive scenes of modern cinema. What should be jubilant and triumphant is tinged with ugliness. In some ways, this was precipitated by the celebration scene of the original movie (now ANH), which it rhymes with. The original scene superficially championed the protagonists and their victory over the Empire, offering a satisfying and organic finish to a movie of sustained whimsy. But it was, substantively, a brutal indictment of militarism and the ritualised veneration of violence and aggression that exists at the heart of every society. Most went home from the auditorium blissfully unaware that Lucas had powerfully referenced the Nuremberg Rally from Leni Riefenstahl's staggering documentary film "Triumph Of The Will", blissfully unaware, in fact, that a whimsical piece of space opera had just ended with a nasty, contemptuous stab at the characters and the very audiences who had bought into them, and this entertainment of light and colour, swords and lasers, murder and mayhem. The end of TMP upholds the spirit of this cinematised intellectual critique by revisiting and restating the basics of the original arrangement while deviating from the specifics of the original by essentially dispensing with medal-giving and the strict confines of a military base in favour of a massive, open-air promenade, the use of (implied) diegetic music and dance and the clever contrivance of the saga's arch villains stood innocently amongst each other, along with an assortment of secondary and tertiary characters, one of whom, the central protagonist's will-be wife, sharing a very public smile, in her otherwise (throughout the picture) stony guise as royal sovereign. The implications of all this are astounding. Most of the characters in the composition will be dead, dying, exiled or oppressed in another two pictures' time. These twisted endings are a hallmark of Lucas. Watch his first feature, "THX 1138", for proof. In all cases, the characters have supposedly achieved something -- but WHAT? That is the question Lucas rhetorically poses. Other scenes that work for me need not nearly be so grandiose, though many are. Many are also small and intimate, almost throwaway. One of these scenes is the short expository passage between Anakin seeking the counsel of Yoda and seeing Palpatine at his behest in ROTS. It's the scene where Anakin goes to speak with Obi-Wan, his Jedi brother in arms. I like the way the scene starts with Anakin dashing down a corridor of strolling people into a specific room, much like the way he later does when he sees Palpatine in the Galaxy Opera House. For now, he is catching up on war matters in the war room. The set (if, indeed, it is a set) is magnificent, somewhat reminiscent of a big lecture theatre. When the camera cuts to Anakin arriving, Obi-Wan is just switching off an enormous hologram, a visual that harks back to ROTJ and a touch that suggests the mobilisation of the Jedi at war. The lighting here is also particularly effective, I think. What I really like is the short exchange between Anakin and Obi-Wan, beginning with an apology that is both sincere but deliberately omits key information. This is quite clever of Lucas, in my opinion. Anakin is being honest with Obi-Wan, but not entirely truthful. It's a distinction Lucas weaves to staggering effect throughout the saga (even, it could be argued, in his own words). There's a faint sense of upset in Obi-Wan's voice as he summarises the report, which nicely segues into the more bitter sense of divide between the two when Palpatine and him getting more Emergency Powers are mentioned. This scene quite cogently establishes a number of facts, such as the trivial amassing of more powers by Palpatine compared to his concerted effort to get any just one film ago (a plot point much of that film's narrative also hinged upon), as well as the ideological divide between Obi-Wan, seasoned Jedi, and Anakin, his trusting, and still young, former apprentice. There is something slightly ominous in feel about this scene. I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly why I like it, but I do. Even a simple line like, "Be careful of your friend, Palpatine," resounds with a simple poetry any number of other alternatives would not. Whether big or small, the OT doesn't offer things the PT offers, and vice versa. -----signature----- There are times when all the world's asleep The questions run too deep For such a simple man
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ShaneP Title: Lucasfilm Projects Gremlin(Manager ) Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/29 12:07pm Subject: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT ?
	The end of TMP upholds the spirit of this cinematised intellectual critique by revisiting and restating the basics of the original arrangement while deviating from the specifics of the original by essentially dispensing with medal-giving and the strict confines of a military base in favour of a massive, open-air promenade, the use of (implied) diegetic music and dance and the clever contrivance of the saga's arch villains stood innocently amongst each other, along with an assortment of secondary and tertiary characters, one of whom, the central protagonist's will-be wife, sharing a very public smile, in her otherwise (throughout the picture) stony guise as royal sovereign. The implications of all this are astounding. Most of the characters in the composition will be dead, dying, exiled or oppressed in another two pictures' time. Yes indeed. The ending of TPM is downright sinister. With all the hoopla, celebration and smiles, the bad guys.......won. One more reason TPM is the SW of the PT. -----signature----- Keep Your Words Sweet. You May Have To Eat Them.
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clrobins6r Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/29 7:27pm Subject: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT ?
	The immolation scene is, in my opinion, the best scene of all 6 movies. The visual feel, the score, everything makes you feel the absolute struggle that Anakin is feeling as he makes an active (but somewhat unconscious) choice to follow a darker path. Shoot at me as you will, but I believe this scene is what makes the entire saga possible.
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drg4 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 5/29 7:43pm Subject: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT ?
	ROTS is my second favorite in the cycle primarily for its bevy of quiet, beclouded scenes, one of the more effective being the setting for Anakin's first nightmare/premonition. --The Padme phantasmagoria, an almost Lynchian solution to the uncomfortable AOTC scene that had older audience members in stiches. --Anakin's exit from the bedroom, the finest Saga rendering of dissolution since Luke's "Why didn't you tell me?" in Empire. --The performances of Christensen and Portman, erasing all memory of several poorly wrought exchanges in AOTC, and thoroughly trouncing Ford and Fisher's tired interplay in ROTJ. --The body language: Padme always moving in, nurturing, even as Anakin uses every opportunity to retreat. Demonstrative of the Luke/Vader dynamic in ROTJ. --The proper use of references, both obvious (the snippet) and the subtle ("We don't need Obi-Wan's help" alluding to "Dreams pass in time"). --John Williams at his most melancholic.
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DRush76 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 6/1 8:52am Subject: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT ?
	No I totally agree that the general perception or consensus among casual film goers is that the PT was not as good as the OT. But that does not mean that this is a matter of fact. It is still a matter of opinions . . . not a fact.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/1 3:54pm Subject: RE: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT
	It can't be scientifically proven, but would anyone seriously doubt that the perception among the majority of general filmgoers is that the OT is superior? I can only speak for myself, but outside of this forum, of the dozens, possibly hundreds of people I've spoken to about the films, I reckon could count those who prefer the PT on two hands.
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obi-rob-kenobi4 Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 6/1 8:45pm Subject: Anyone of the opinion that the best scenes from the PT rival or even outclass those from the OT ? - Date Edited: 6/1 8:50pm (2 edits total) Edited By: obi-rob-kenobi4
	Practically ANYONE under 25 prefers the PT. That has definitely been my experience, i find myself defending the OT to everyone i know and then going on this site and haveing to defend the PT, LOL! I love the Saga as a whole but it is a widely accepted notion that most young people relate to the PT more than the OT. It was made FOR THEM in THERE time while THEY were growing up, so its what resonates with them and speaks to them more. Its like music, no matter how many generations go by the old people will still always think the music in "there day" is so much better than what the kids are listening to now. Both have there merits AND both have there flaws. -----signature----- "You call THIS a diplomatic solution?" "No, I call it aggressive negotiations." so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause..... who am I, where am I going? -Tony Soprano
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