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Author Topic: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/2 4:03pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
I'm referring to the second Force battle in the larger duel. I don't have an issue with how Stover handled the initial Force battle in Palpatine's office as that was essentially the way the film depicted it.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10393 posts
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Date Posted: 1/2 4:11pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
I was referring to Yoda/Dooku.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/2 4:47pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
As was I in the post before last. Yoda doesn't really struggle to deal with any of Tyranus' Force powers.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10393 posts
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Date Posted: 1/3 1:53pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin? - Date Edited: 1/3 2:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Master_Starwalker posted:
As for the point about deception, Anakin trusts Palpatine. There's no reason for him to be probing him for deception.


Even after revealing himself to be a Sith and posing what to 99% of the audience appears to be a logical contradiction?

Master_Starwalker posted:
Yoda doesn't really struggle to deal with any of Tyranus' Force powers.


Unlike what we see with Yoda and Palpatine, which holds true in the film as well.

 

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black_saber  3366 posts
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Date Posted: 1/3 4:21pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
Despite the fact that Anakin was human, did some of the Aliens have similar feelings like a human?

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10393 posts
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Date Posted: 1/3 4:28pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
Uh... yes?

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/3 6:21pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
As for the point about deception, Anakin trusts Palpatine. There's no reason for him to be probing him for deception.


Even after revealing himself to be a Sith and posing what to 99% of the audience appears to be a logical contradiction?


Yes. If he didn't, Palpatine's attempt to seduce him to the Dark Side would have failed.

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
Yoda doesn't really struggle to deal with any of Tyranus' Force powers.


Unlike what we see with Yoda and Palpatine, which holds true in the film as well.


Right, but I'm not arguing Tyranus is on par with Yoda or Sidious. Yoda and Tyranus didn't reach a stalemate. Yoda and Sidious did.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10393 posts
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Date Posted: 1/3 6:36pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin? - Date Edited: 1/3 6:39pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
>>>Yes. If he didn't, Palpatine's attempt to seduce him to the Dark Side would have failed.


Not if it wasn't deception.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/4 12:34pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
Except whether or not it's true is essentially irrelevant to Anakin's seduction. What matters is that Skywalker believes it's true. I also don't see why you don't think Palpatine could simply hide the fact that he was lying.

 

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MvG-88  203 posts
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Date Posted: 1/4 5:17pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
What's wrong with Anakin? He started smoking. The toxic wastes within the cigarettes clouded his inner vision, and look at him now, he can't brathe or talk without help.

But he is not the only one that the major cigarette companies lured to the dark side. General Grievous will never get rid of that cough, it drove him mad. And Palpatine, yupp, smoking does that to your skin.

So listen to C-3PO! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sidL5s9bDU8

 
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Tyber_Zahn  912 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5 8:28am Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
It was the dark side of the Force that corrupted him. Though that said he was kind of an ass to begin with.

 
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Arawn_Fenn  10393 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5 12:09pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin? - Date Edited: 1/5 12:34pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Master_Starwalker posted:
Except whether or not it's true is essentially irrelevant to Anakin's seduction.


I don't think Anakin's feelings toward Palpatine are 100% positive during all of the scenes where this is discussed.

Master_Starwalker posted:
I also don't see why you don't think Palpatine could simply hide the fact that he was lying.


Because Jedi can sense deception.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5 2:55pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
Except whether or not it's true is essentially irrelevant to Anakin's seduction.


I don't think Anakin's feelings toward Palpatine are 100% positive during all of the scenes where this is discussed.


They're certainly not 100% positive. However, he had to believe Palpatine was being honest in order to betray the Jedi as he did.

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
I also don't see why you don't think Palpatine could simply hide the fact that he was lying.


Because Jedi can sense deception.


Jedi can also sense the presence of Sith, yet Palpatine was able to cloud their ability to do that.

 

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SithStarSlayer  8661 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5 3:27pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin?
To be fair, if Palpatine pulled a giant 'Sith-Hankey' out of his Chancellor's robe and blew his nose, the Jedi prolly would've missed that too. And what I mean by Sith Hankey is that in red letters the giant nose-wiper has "I AM A KRIFFING SITH LORD" written across the center.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10393 posts
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Date Posted: 1/5 7:21pm Subject: RE: So What The Hell Was Wrong With Anakin? - Date Edited: 1/5 7:27pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Master_Starwalker posted:
However, he had to believe Palpatine was being honest in order to betray the Jedi as he did.


Not really. He had his own agenda, as corroborated by EU ( but it's also made clear in the film ).

Master_Starwalker posted:
Anakin trusts Palpatine.


Apparently not: "I will quickly discover the truth of all this." Not to mention this is a guy he's plotting to kill.

Master_Starwalker posted:
Jedi can also sense the presence of Sith


That in itself is an assumption which the example of Palpatine largely disproves. We have seen other examples of this in TCW, where Dooku is not sensed by Obi-Wan. Anakin knows that Palpatine is a Sith by the point in question.

 

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