Author Topic: It's Over- I have the High Ground
darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 6/11 2:07pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
The fall when it was filmed was 80 feet. So unless someone knows differently, Obi-wan fell that far. But he only had to jump up at least 20 feet to catch up to Maul and Qui-gon. But my point remains, had someone been waiting for him when he came up, he would've been knocked down. Both there and later on.

 

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jedibri  4109 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 2:55am Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
Let's be clear here. What Obi-Wan was sayig to Anakin was that he was one with the Force. He could feel Anakin's next move.

 

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SithStarSlayer  8661 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 6:13am Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
JEDIGUNSHIP posted:
The problem with running up the hill is that it was burning hot with lava, so that's why Anakin jumped in the first place.
Then why didn't Kenobi's boots catch on fire while he stood there for five minutes?

 

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DarthBoba  33060 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 1:20pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
Because Obi-Wan's boots are made by Blackhawk!.


*joke only I and S3 will get* tongue

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 2:08pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
SithStarSlayer posted:
JEDIGUNSHIP posted:
The problem with running up the hill is that it was burning hot with lava, so that's why Anakin jumped in the first place.
Then why didn't Kenobi's boots catch on fire while he stood there for five minutes?


Obi-wan was standing higher up. Still, it's not like Anakin couldn't run up. He caught fire from laying there, not moving up. By running, he could avoid that and only have a case of hot foot.

 

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SithStarSlayer  8661 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 4:52pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
DarthBoba posted:
Because Obi-Wan's boots are made by Blackhawk!.


*joke only I and S3 will get* tongue

The REAL question becomes, how did he get them?

 

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DarthBoba  33060 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 4:56pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
The Ranger Joe outlet store in the Temple, of course. Right next to the Sith Lord imprisonment cells.

 

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xx_Anakin_xx  1824 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 9:24pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
Gary_Buchenara posted:
You could describe it that way. But even so, the ability to control emotion and harness and channel what one has at one's disposal is a determinant of true power, so either way, his opinion of himself was over-inflated. I cite his first confrontation with Dooku and his demise at Kenobi's hands as examples.

Also, I don't think you can really say Anakin took out Mace, unless you're talking in the Robert Ford sense! Mace was kind of tied up at the time.


The ability to control emotion and harness and channel power is not how "true power" is defined. Those are two separate things. Anakin's inability to control, handle and deal with the power he had has no bearing on how much he has. Perhaps you are talking skill or overall ability or something - I am talking raw power. He had raw power in spades - so his opinon of his power was not over inflated. Now you have changed the argument slightly to his opinion of "himself" being over inflated. Sure that is true, but that wasn't the initial argument.

When I say Anakin took out Mace, I was talking about the "Force" angle. Anticipating what another will do is a part of that gift, which allows Jedi to fight so well. But Mace wasn't exactly flowing with the Force at that time, he was "using" it for something else. But worse, Anakin flat out said that he "needed Palpatine". What Jedi Master is going to overlook that statement coming from a troublesome Jedi Knight? He needed a Sith Lord??? Why on earth would he "need" a Sith Lord? Well Mace didn't bother to ask or even contemplate it, and that has less to do with the Force than simply lacking good sense in the moment.

 

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Gary_Buchenara  393 posts
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Date Posted: 6/12 10:25pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
I agree with you that Anakin had potential power / raw power or whatever else you choose to call it by the bucketful. No argument there.

But to me, overall power has to be about effectiveness as well as potential and if you can't control your raw energy / potential or whetever, then you're not going to be effective and therefore you're not really all that powerful in practical terms.

 

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DarthBoba  33060 posts
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Date Posted: 6/13 8:28pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
It might be worth noting just how fast Anakin gets powerful-just over a decade and people were already ranking him as potentially the most powerful ever. In the EU, Luke took a really long time to start doing really awe-inspiring things with the Force-he was well into his thirties before he started doing stuff that just made you go "wait. What did he just do?"

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  16981 posts
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Date Posted: 6/14 9:05am Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
Gary_Buchenara posted:
I agree with you that Anakin had potential power / raw power or whatever else you choose to call it by the bucketful. No argument there.

But to me, overall power has to be about effectiveness as well as potential and if you can't control your raw energy / potential or whetever, then you're not going to be effective and therefore you're not really all that powerful in practical terms.


Exactly. Anakin had a ton of raw energy, and he was not able to control it.

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 6/14 6:14pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
DarthBoba posted:
It might be worth noting just how fast Anakin gets powerful-just over a decade and people were already ranking him as potentially the most powerful ever. In the EU, Luke took a really long time to start doing really awe-inspiring things with the Force-he was well into his thirties before he started doing stuff that just made you go "wait. What did he just do?"



Anakin was fully trained by Obi-wan for ten years and then spent three years improving himself. Luke was only partially trained by Obi-wan for a couple of days and by Yoda for about a few weeks. The rest he got from Palpatine and other Force users. Luke was the underdog, especially in the eu.

 

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SithStarSlayer  8661 posts
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Date Posted: 6/15 5:52am Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
Skywalker = Force-Savant

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1567 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26 8:57pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
This is one of the things that bothers me most about the Prequels. In Episode I, Obi-Wan jumps over Darth Maul - who is standing inches from the ledge - catches the lightsaber, turns and cuts him in half. All that Maul had to do was hold his 'saber out in front of himself, and Obi-Wan would have been bisected by his own maneuver. There is no reason why a well-trained, highly skilled Sith warrior would have such incredibly crappy reflexes as to not be able to take down an unarmed Jedi jumping over him like that.

I think a better line for Obi-Wan in Episode III would have been: "Don't try it, Anakin. I have the high ground, just like Darth Maul did on Naboo."

I believe Ray Park's assessment of Maul's death as "disgusting" fits most aptly.

 

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Jovieve  2296 posts
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Date Posted: 6/26 9:19pm Subject: It's Over- I have the High Ground
DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:
This is one of the things that bothers me most about the Prequels. In Episode I, Obi-Wan jumps over Darth Maul - who is standing inches from the ledge - catches the lightsaber, turns and cuts him in half. All that Maul had to do was hold his 'saber out in front of himself, and Obi-Wan would have been bisected by his own maneuver. There is no reason why a well-trained, highly skilled Sith warrior would have such incredibly crappy reflexes as to not be able to take down an unarmed Jedi jumping over him like that.

I believe Ray Park's assessment of Maul's death as "disgusting" fits most aptly.


Because, like Anakin, those who engage the Dark side tend to showboat and get arrogant and thus aren't centered and in control and able to focus on what their opponent is doing. Maul, after having fun showering Obi-Wan with sparks, felt the Force gathering/moving, but he had no idea what it meant. He neither heard nor saw Qui-Gon's lightsaber moving and even if he guessed that Obi-Wan was preparing to leap up, as far as he knew, Obi-Wan was unarmed. What's more sadistic fun to a Sith than to toy with an unarmed Jedi?

 

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