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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/26 1:21am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Jar-Jar's character arc was pretty much completed in TPM. That's why he wasn't in the next two too much. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/26 7:59am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	I agree. Most of it was done by the end of TPM. I was mostly stating my support for the argument that he DID grow and evolve a little as a character. I think that he matures by AOTC as well. When he is in the background of a scene, he is not as clumsy, distracted, ADD and breaking stuff. I think he's shown to have learned more restraint and control. It shows a little more maturity even than the end of TPM. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/26 9:35am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	True, the very fact he was holding a position in Padme's office indicates he had further risen to the challenge. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/26 10:38am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Strilo posted: When he is in the background of a scene, he is not as clumsy, distracted, ADD and breaking stuff. I think it's the heavy robes. They're probably weighted to slow him down. And Go-Mer, since when does a politician holding office prove ANYTHING about their maturity or competence? -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/26 10:54am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	It proves that someone had faith in him. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/26 11:06am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	So it DOESN'T actually say anything about Jar-Jar himself... -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/26 11:11am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	It says he endeared himself as more responsible to someone. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/26 11:26am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Or, perhaps just as likely, that he was maneuvered into place by Palpatine or one of his lackeys, BECAUSE he's such twerp. -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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DarthApocalypse Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 6/26 11:44am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Strilo posted: I agree. Most of it was done by the end of TPM. I was mostly stating my support for the argument that he DID grow and evolve a little as a character. I think that he matures by AOTC as well. When he is in the background of a scene, he is not as clumsy, distracted, ADD and breaking stuff. I think he's shown to have learned more restraint and control. It shows a little more maturity even than the end of TPM. How does Jar-Jar standing quietly mean he has evolved as a character? He stood quietly at Qui-Gon's funeral in TPM as well. Being able to do so in the few minutes he is seen in AOTC isn't anything significant. Go-Mer-Tonic posted: True, the very fact he was holding a position in Padme's office indicates he had further risen to the challenge. Basically what Halcyon said. Being a politician in no way means Jar-Jar is mature or responsible and he most likely was placed in that position because of his gullibility. -----signature----- Don't take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/26 11:54am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/26 11:54am (1 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	I disagree, I think it showed Jar-Jar grew a character to go from total outcast to working as a public official. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/26 11:57am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Social standing =/= who you are as a person. Heck, I'm half-tempted to argue that Jar-Jar was a BETTER person as an outcast than a public official. I mean, as an outcast he helped save his planet by bringing the Gungans and Naboo together. As a public official he helped destroy galactic democracy. -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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DarthApocalypse Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 6/26 11:58am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Even when the whole of him being a public official was so he could be portrayed as a fool again? -----signature----- Don't take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive.
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venepe Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 6/26 5:38pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/26 5:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: venepe
	Go-Mer, I remember reading your posts from 1999, and I always sided with you when the TPM hate was in full force. And I still do. I actually like Jar Jar, and TPM is one of my favorites. But the thread is about why the audience as a whole did not like Jar Jar like you and I do. I can see your point that he did have some growth indirectly by how the people around him learned to accept him and see him as a noble character. However, I am proposing that the reason the audinece in general reacted harshly towards him is that his growth is not perceived. The success of ANH when it was released, is that Luke can be clearly seen growing from a farmboy into the warrior that destroyed the Death Star. Han Solo went from mercenary selfish person to aiding Luke. Jar Jar was suppose to be the Chewie/C3PO of TPM, but unlike Chewie he had just too much exposure to get by without MAYOR NOTICEABLE growth. Lucas failed in providing the audience a redeeming quality. That is why he ended up being hated and the movie as a whole lost a bit of respect from those who were hoping for it to have the same impact as ANH did when it was first release. Remember, this is not a Jar Jar bashing thread, like you said, he is defendable. But his lack of apparent growth is to me the main reason for his unpopularity. -----signature----- Triumph: "I don't regret picking on the Star Wars nerds but you have to feel a little sorry for them. I hope George Lucas CGIs them some girlfriends."
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venepe Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 6/26 5:43pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/26 6:21pm (2 edits total) Edited By: venepe
	ShaneP posted: venepe Yes he was a link in the union of the species, but he was just accidentally there, he made no effort. I'm just saying that to the audience he was still a pathetic life form. Now wait. He did give Amidala the idea to join together and fight the federation. And he did go to Otah Gunga, only to find it deserted. He then led the heroes to the sacred place. That all took effort. He did help. He gave the idea unintentionally. Once in Naboo, he was just following her request for help. If we had a scene were Jar Jar actually tells Amidala to go to the other Gungans for help, it would do wonders for his character. Like I said before, it is not obvious to the audience how Jar Jar is a hero. I mean, there is actually a scene were Capt Tarpals says to him " Gen, Jar Jar do something" and Jar Jar surrenders, and we can clearly see Carpals shaking his head in frustration. So how is the audience suppose to realize that he is a hero? *sorry for the back to back post. -----signature----- Triumph: "I don't regret picking on the Star Wars nerds but you have to feel a little sorry for them. I hope George Lucas CGIs them some girlfriends."
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/26 5:55pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Please don't post back to back. Simply hit edit and add your thoughts. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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