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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/29 9:44pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/29 9:51pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	I have a feeling you will be waiting for a long time. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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DarthApocalypse Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 6/29 9:46pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Too bad. I thought you would at least make an attempt to defend your argument, but I guess you knew all along it was false. -----signature----- Don't take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/29 9:51pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/29 9:53pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	I provided my case several times in several different ways, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. Here it is once again: In the beginning of the movie, Jar-Jar is afraid of the monsters outside the ship, and panics to the point where Qui-Gon gives him the Jedi neck pinch. When they are on Tatooine, Jar-Jar is afraid of all the nefarious characters in the area, and he doesn't want to continue on because he's afraid he will be "crunched". When told he is being made Bombad General, he faints because the idea is so scary to him. But when the time comes to lead the troops into battle, he does so with bravery. He is shown to rise to the challenge when he could have easily not shown up, or run at any time. He is even shown attempting to instill confidence in his troops: "Steady Steady". While he is scared the whole time, he is shown to attempt to fight the battle droids, even if all of his success is accidental. He stays and fights until Tarpals calls for the retreat. The Force looks after him because he is pure of heart and heroic. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/29 9:56pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Jar Jar could hardly have done a runner from the Battle of Naboo though could he? He was in deep poodoo with the Bosses on account of his clumsiness as it was and then he leads the Naboo to the Gungan's sacred place and instigates their involvement in the battle in the first place. Surely if he'd opted out of the confrontation that would've been it for Jar Jar in Gungan society. It seemed to me like it was fighting or excommunication!
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/29 9:58pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	He had already been "excommunicated" at the beginning of the movie. He would have simply been back at square 1 if he had run. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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DarthApocalypse Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 6/29 9:59pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	And I've refuted your arguments several times and you never responded to my rebuttals. Once again: 1. Jar-Jar never shows he is scared on Tatooine. The first thing he does is steal food and pick fights. Even after Qui-Gon tells him to keep his hands in his pockets he refuses to listen. How is this the behavior of someone afraid of being crunched? Doe't you think if he was scared he'd keep his head down and avoid making trouble? 2. Explain to me when Jar-Jar had the opportunity to flee. You keep saying he could have ran at any time, yet he never had the opportunity to. As you said yourself, he fainted and had no chance to run. 3. How is falling off you mount, nearly killing your own troops and hiding instilling confidence and leading with bravery? Are these things you consider heroic? -----signature----- Don't take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive.
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/29 9:59pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	DarthApocalypse posted: Too bad. I thought you would at least make an attempt to defend your argument, but I guess you knew all along it was false. That's enough of that. This adds nothing to the discussion. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/29 10:07pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/29 10:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Gary_Buchenara
	Yep, and Jar Jar was never going to last long on his own was he? If Jar Jar wanted to be accepted back into Gungan society, he had to fight in that battle. I think Jar Jar realised that this was his only hope of not being kicked out of Gungan society, rather than suddenly realising that he had to start being brave. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Jar Jar or even particularly dislike him. I don't really feel strongly about him either way. He's a decent being with a good heart, but I just struggle to see all that much in the way of character development. He fumbles and bumbles his way through TPM, instigating significant events largely through happenstance from what I can see.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/29 10:10pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/29 10:12pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	DarthApocalypse posted: 1. Jar-Jar never shows he is scared on Tatooine. QUI-GON puts his comlink away and starts out into the main street. JAR JAR grabs his arm. JAR JAR : Noah gain...da beings hereabouts cawazy. Wesa be robbed un crunched. DarthApocalypse posted: The first thing he does is steal food and pick fights. Even after Qui-Gon tells him to keep his hands in his pockets he refuses to listen. How is this the behavior of someone afraid of being crunched? Don't you think if he was scared he'd keep his head down and avoid making trouble? He didn't understand the concept of the market on Tattoine. He figured he could just take a lizard, and is obviously surprised to find out the shop keeper wants money for it, at which point he lets go of the lizard and it happens to fly into Sebulba's soup. He wasn't picking fights, it was an accident. DarthApocalypse posted: 2. Explain to me when Jar-Jar had the opportunity to flee. You keep saying he could have ran at any time, yet he never had the opportunity to. As you said yourself, he fainted and had no chance to run. After he came around, he consciously chose to show up for duty and lead his troops in battle. Once the battle started, he could have easily run away (like many other Gungans are shown to do) but he stood fast and was out there doing. DarthApocalypse posted: 3. How is falling off you mount, nearly killing your own troops and hiding instilling confidence and leading with bravery? Are these things you consider heroic? He didn't nearly kill his own troops, the heroism comes from him trying to fight in the battle even though he was scared. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 6/29 10:17pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/29 10:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	Never once does he TRY to fight. He always does it by cowardice or accident. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/29 10:54pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/29 10:58pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	He deliberately picks up a boomer sling and attempts to wield it. After half a battle droid jumped on him, he throws him to the ground and stomps on him, taking out other droids in the process. This whole time, he is afraid and reacting to things in a scared way, but he isn't running away. He doesn't run until Tarpals calls for the retreat. It's at this point he runs away with all the other Gungans, and attempts to hide under the cart. When he ends up on the tank, Tarpals tells him to take his boomer, then Jar-Jar tries to catch it, only to accidentally hit the droid tank commander with it. Jar-Jar was out there doing. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Darth_Laudrup Title: Host: PT Trivia Challenge Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 6/30 3:14am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	The concept of a native helping the heroes, the degree of how much Jar Jar helps is ofcourse up for debate, is a nice idea. No doubt about that. Humour has always been a part of Star Wars, but in my oppinion Lucas made the mistake story wise of making Jar Jar too silly and goofy looking. Had he been a bit more, let's call it intelligent, he might have worked better. Financially though Jar Jar was a stroke of genious. And I have no doubt that Lucas designed Jar Jar with a very young group of fans in mind. And I am sure that group of fans made Lucas a lot of money in the merchandice department. In my oppinion Jar jar is the most blatant marketing aspect of the entire Star Wars Saga. I hope this made sense. -----signature----- I love Ellen Page: 5' 1" / 1.55 m tall and very very sexy.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 6/30 8:26am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/30 8:29am (3 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	It really doesn't. Creating a character that is abrasively annoying is not a good marketing move. You are supposed to be learning how to accept Jar-Jar for who he is. Not everyone gets to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but everyone has their place in the universe. The important thing about Jar-Jar is that he is heroic and pure of heart. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Darth_Laudrup Title: Host: PT Trivia Challenge Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 6/30 8:34am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 6/30 8:42am (4 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Laudrup
	ehhmm... ok. Jar Jar is a hero then. I still call him a marketing gimmick that was designed to attract a younger group of fans. And a very succesful one I might add. But that's ok. To each his own. -----signature----- I love Ellen Page: 5' 1" / 1.55 m tall and very very sexy.
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DarthApocalypse Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 6/30 8:56am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Go-Mer-Tonic posted: QUI-GON puts his comlink away and starts out into the main street. JAR JAR grabs his arm. JAR JAR : Noah gain...da beings hereabouts cawazy. Wesa be robbed un crunched. Actions speak louder than words. Jar-Jar says he is scared but doesn't act like it. Again I ask you, if Jar-Jar was as scared as you claim, don't you think he'd heed Qui-Gon's words and stop touching everything? Go-Mer-Tonic posted: He didn't understand the concept of the market on Tattoine. He figured he could just take a lizard, and is obviously surprised to find out the shop keeper wants money for it, at which point he lets go of the lizard and it happens to fly into Sebulba's soup. He wasn't picking fights, it was an accident I see no evidence that Jar-Jar doesn't understand the concept of money. I see Jar-Jar needlessly touching things even after being warned not to. Again, touching everything is not the behavior of someone afraid of being crunched. Go-Mer-Tonic posted: After he came around, he consciously chose to show up for duty and lead his troops in battle. I doubt that considering he wouldn't be left alone and thus wouldn't have a chance to leave. Unless your suggesting that the Gungans would just let him go. Go-Mer-Tonic posted: Once the battle started, he could have easily run away (like many other Gungans are shown to do) but he stood fast and was out there doing. 1. When are other Gungans shown to be running away when the battle starts? 2. How is Jar-Jar going to run once the battle starts? Where he is going to go, to the droids? Go-Mer-Tonic posted: He didn't nearly kill his own troops Sure he did. When he swung the poobaa around, he very nearly hit two of his own men. Go-Mer-Tonic posted: the heroism comes from him trying to fight in the battle even though he was scared. Except as I said before he never fought. He only hid. -----signature----- Don't take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive.
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