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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/19 12:21pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 7/19 12:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: d_arblay
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: The SE's and Jar-Jar have a common thread: Lucas pretends they're all about serving/improving the story, but in reality they're just an excuse to show off his new CGI toys. oh come on, do you actually believe that a billionaire would need to worry about such things? that he would deliberately compromise his integrity to do this? if ANH had been released in 2008 you would probably be telling us that the cantina band scene was only written to make money off the toys. its not about toys - its about creating other worlds, different to our own, sold to us with a hugely different, imaginitive, complex array of characters and settings. the fact you can market these as toys is merely coincidental, although undeniably convenient. im not denying you could argue this motive might exist if lucas were to be a hugely greedy individual. but motive is no proof of anything. i dislike George W Bush hugely. but if he's found dead at home tomorrow with a knife in his back, it doesn't mean i should be a suspect. you might not like certain characters or choices lucas makes, but anyone who tries to defame his integrity without proper evidence, just because they take a different artistic view, would be both narrow minded and childish at best. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/19 12:53pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Let's steer clear of comments that discuss the fans shall we? Discuss the films, please, not the fans. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 7/19 12:59pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	I don't mean 'toys' as in 'action figures/collectibles'. I mean 'toys' as in 'new CGI technology to play with in making effects' Filmmakers' toys, so to speak. Jar-Jar doesn't exist to improve the story. He exists because Lucas wanted to create the first completely CGI humanoid character in film. The Jabba scene doesn't improve the film. It just repeats plot points which are fully covered by the Greedo scene. The only reason to put it back in is to show off Lucas's ability to replace a human actor with a digital character. Also, your other post is full of misreading and fallacies, which have pretty much all been repeated ad nauseum (then debunked) around here over the years. -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 7/19 1:50pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Jedi_Kerian_Halcyon posted: Then why are there still visible matte boxes around many of the ships on the DVD-SEs? And why are the stereo channels inexplicably reversed on the SW DVD? If the SEs were really about fixing shoddy effects, Lucas would have focused on THESE issues instead of things like a redundant scene with a bad CGI Jabba and pointless Fett cameo, or a gratuitous shot of Vader's shuttle docking that does nothing but interrupt the flow of an otherwise edge-of-your-seat finale, or a musical number that makes Lapti Nek seem tasteful by comparison. The matte boxes cannot be completely removed without compromising the film quality. Short of remaking the film, these things cannot ever go away. And the stereo channels, how do we know that this isn't what Lucas wanted? The Jabba scene was put back in because Lucas wanted that scene in there. It adds in that Jabba gave Han one last chance to pay off his debt, which was the whole point of that scene. Which then sets up TESB. Boba is there to set that up. Vader's shuttle was done to show his trip to the Executor, which was not shown before and was a glaring problem for him. The musical number was going to be big as he said. The production problems on ROTJ forced it to be downgraded to what we see. Jedi_Kerian_Halcyon posted: He exists because Lucas wanted to create the first completely CGI humanoid character in film. Jar Jar was created to serve a story in the film, which he does. He only switched him over to full CGI when he saw that it would be easier than simply putting a CGI head on Ahmed Best's body. And the Jabba scene, as mentioned, was to complete a scene that he never got to complete. Lucas couldn't put that scene in back in 77. He wanted it there. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/19 1:56pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	The swapped rear surround channels on the ANH DVD is an error. It is not what Lucas wanted. It's just a mistake that will likely be fixed in the HD release. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/19 3:07pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: Jar-Jar doesn't exist to improve the story. He exists because Lucas wanted to create the first completely CGI humanoid character in film. Thats not true. Watto could easily have taken that tag had Jar-Jar not. When the script was first written with Jar Jar there was no indication what he would look like or what need there would be to perform him. Even up until the point they were on set they weren't sure whether he would be completely CGI and thats referenced in the documentary. Rick McCallum was pushing for that more than George Lucas, and I can understand why. He exists for plot reasons. Take him out of the movie, you take the gungans out of the movie. Take the gungans out of the movie - you take out the last act as it sits. the film may or may not be better for this but you cant deny he serves a purpose to the plot - the one on the page that existed before he even went to the conceptual stages. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: Also, your other post is full of misreading and fallacies, which have pretty much all been repeated ad nauseum (then debunked) around here over the years. debunk away. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/19 3:11pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted: The Jabba scene doesn't improve the film. It just repeats plot points which are fully covered by the Greedo scene. The only reason to put it back in is to show off Lucas's ability to replace a human actor with a digital character. It doesn't improve the film but it improves the saga. Lucas had always intended the scene as a bridge to what would come in the later films. of course in '77, when he didnt have the completed scene, nor the tools to complete the scene, it was cut and not missed. however, it does become missed when the off-screen jabba is introduced in ESB and we have no reference to him or to the relationship he has with Han. its inclusion helps tie the movies together much better. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 7/19 7:52pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong? - Date Edited: 7/19 7:52pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Go-Mer-Tonic
	Strilo posted: Go-Mer-Tonic posted: Maybe it's up to you to make a movie series that really shows Lucas up for the hack you think he is. See, this is a perfect example of you not being a responsible poster. I've never once said I thought Lucas was a hack. You are not replying to me here, you are replying to the whole group of "bashers" and "haters" as you see them. This is you vs. them. Please stop replying like you are part of a crusade against the tyranny of SW haters and start replying to what people actually say. I think Lucas is a great director. Really a wonderful directing job, especially in ROTS. The man is also a fantastic editor, truly gifted. I just don't think he is a very good screenwriter and guess who agrees with me? George Lucas. So please stop putting words in people's mouths. I was using "Hack" as a shorthand for "not a very good writer". I'm not on a crusade, I'm speaking from my own point of view, in which case Lucas did better than most. I keep hearing how much Lucas dropped the ball, and can't wait to see these people make something better. Obviously it's only a matter of time before someone shows up Lucas was all I was saying. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 7/20 6:52am Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	d_arblay please stop making back to back posts. If you find more to reply to, please hit edit and add it to your existing post. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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d_arblay Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/20 12:22pm Subject: Jar-Jar Binks: what went wrong?
	Strilo posted: d_arblay please stop making back to back posts. If you find more to reply to, please hit edit and add it to your existing post. will do my best. -----signature----- My own "Complete Saga" trailers: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CDF92B3798BD4675 Hope you enjoy!
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