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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 3/10 8:55am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...? - Date Edited: 3/10 8:56am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
	Daft-Vader posted: Master_Starwalker posted: Yep. Anyway, we know that Anakin had the potential to be 2x of Palpatine. Whether or not that would make him a 'force god' is completely dependent on what you think the Emperor was capable of. But was are they capable of though? I mean we see Yoda effortlessly levitate Luke's X-Wing, and both he and Sids were playing Force frissbees with the Senate Pods. Sids also could shoot out lightning that will blast you across the room. How more powerful can you get? He's powerful, but Sidious still falls short of omnipotence. You're not going to see him use the Force to manipulate objects on a molecular level for instance. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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Rossa83 Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 3/10 2:31pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	If it true as said that the Sith created Anakin, then they could manipulate objects on a molecular level. I don't buy into this, but still. Twice as powerful as Sideous, well - who knows, but he might have said it more as painting us a picture than the exact amount of his power. We often say that football or soccer players are twice as good as someone else, but they seldom are. I think that he would've, in time, become more powerful than Yoda and Sideous, but not so much that he would be omnipotent and indestructible. I still think that Yoda and Sideous combined would give him a real run for his money...
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Qui-Gon_Reborn Title: Qui-Gon's Personal SWC Modsaber Registered: Dec '08	Date Posted: 3/10 4:24pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Because he was created by the midi-chlorians, Anakin would really have been the most powerful Jedi ever. Perhaps three times as powerful as Luke. -----signature----- To be a true poet is to become God. - Dan Simmons Now bring me that horizon. - Capt. Jack Sparrow High Priestess in the Holy Order of the Circle-in-the-Sky Worshippers
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Eternity85 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 3/12 4:27am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Very powerful. We can already see flashes of his potential in the movies. But as said before, it depends on how well he can master himself. Anakin was a wreck when he was fighting Obi Wan, so if a force-user cant master himself, it seems he cant fuel his full force potential, it will just be unfocused. But Anakin never learned to quiet his mind before it was to late. -----signature----- " Your eyes can deceive you, do not trust them." - Obi Wan Kenobi
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 3/12 7:44am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Rossa83 posted: If it true as said that the Sith created Anakin, then they could manipulate objects on a molecular level. I don't buy into this, but still. True, though given that midis seem to have some degree of consciousness, Plagueis may have simply used a very precise mind trick. Qui-Gon_Reborn posted: Because he was created by the midi-chlorians, Anakin would really have been the most powerful Jedi ever. Perhaps three times as powerful as Luke. Lucas has said (or at the very least strongly implied) that Luke's potential is equal to Anakin's. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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Rossa83 Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 3/12 2:04pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Well, the thing is that Lucas showed the duel between Yoda and Sideous and Anakin and OBW simultaneously, thus explicitly showing the great gap in power between the contestants - a force push contest vs a force lightning contest for instance. Anakin might have had the potential, but something tells me he would never reach the dedication of say Sideous, and hence he could not have reached his full potential. IMHO, he would have been slightly more powerful than Yoda and Sideous.
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Qui-Gon_Reborn Title: Qui-Gon's Personal SWC Modsaber Registered: Dec '08	Date Posted: 3/12 11:15pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Master_Starwalker posted: Lucas has said (or at the very least strongly implied) that Luke's potential is equal to Anakin's. Really? I would've thought that Anakin, being the Chosen One, would possess a greater raw power. -----signature----- To be a true poet is to become God. - Dan Simmons Now bring me that horizon. - Capt. Jack Sparrow High Priestess in the Holy Order of the Circle-in-the-Sky Worshippers
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jedibri Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 3/14 12:11pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Take a person who plays sports and is really good in collage and gets drafted high. Then get's hurt (blows a knee or shoulder ect...ect...) they are forced to retire early. People always say what could have been. Now take Anakin. He showed glimps' of what he could be. Then he chose the wrong path (i.e. got hurt) and now people say what could have been. I don't think there is a clear picture as to how good he would have been. Because like sports players who get hurt and retire people only remember the fall (or injury.) -----signature----- Isaiah 41:13
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 3/14 12:27pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...? - Date Edited: 3/14 12:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: xx_Anakin_xx
	Rossa83 posted: Well, the thing is that Lucas showed the duel between Yoda and Sideous and Anakin and OBW simultaneously, thus explicitly showing the great gap in power between the contestants - a force push contest vs a force lightning contest for instance. Anakin might have had the potential, but something tells me he would never reach the dedication of say Sideous, and hence he could not have reached his full potential. IMHO, he would have been slightly more powerful than Yoda and Sideous. The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan at Mustafar is not an example of Anakin's ability or power that can be used to determine either his potential or his ability at the time. He was battling his best friend and while he'd "gone Sith" - we all know that even after 23 years he never was able to quite get that down pat. So after only a couple of hours, it is highly unlikely that he'd lost all feeling and love for his best friend and brother. And he even offered to have Obi-Wan join him - explicitly against Sidious' determination that Obi-Wan had to go. Which says to me that the battle while fierce, was also very emotionally laden. I think if he'd been battling say - grievous or someone, then perhaps one could try to gauge his potential at that time. I think the Dooku fight was the closest we saw to what he was capable of in that era. The movie did a pretty good job there, but the novel was better at describing his ability. So I disagree that he'd of only been slightly more powerful than Yoda and Sideous. I feel that when Lucas said 2x's more powerful, he wasn't exaggerating. And one has to recall that he was only 23 - still stubborn, arrogant and all that, to say he could never overcome his emotions I think is extreme hyperbole because often that does not happen until one is around 30 or so anyway. It happens sooner for some that are more socially acclimated, but that wasn't Anakin. The fact that he was able to reach 80% of Palpy's strength as Darth Vader speaks volumes. He was a burnt to a crisp mess that came out of it with lots of mechanical parts and devices and had lost many Midos as a result. He was still the 2nd most powerful force user until Luke came along - so I'd have to conclude that he would have ended up one heck of a BA if he'd not been fried at Mustafar. -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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oo-tee-dee Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/16 12:13am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	He'd be navigating the whole Imperial Fleet by Telekinesis.
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-MUSTAFAR- Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/16 12:18am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...? - Date Edited: 3/16 12:43am (5 edits total) Edited By: -MUSTAFAR-
	NelanisGhost posted: Darth-Johnny-Cash posted: Great question. GL has stated that he would have become twice as powerful as Palps who depending on who you ask was the most powerful Sith of all time. So at level who knows what he could do. Almost anything I'd imagine. But what WOULD he have done? What is the point of having a god in human form? It's really pointless, and Anakin would still have become an oppressor, by his mere existence. A male is instinctively driven to dominate. And human males have testosterone and that is, basically hormonal aggression. I have to question: to what end do Jedi or Sith have these powers? Ultimately, to serve themselves, and their might. That is the way of nature, the weak succumb to the strong. Dominance is dominance whether clothed in altruistic intention or power grabbing. Actually there is no scientific evidence that testosterone = aggression. Males are dominant, but not necessarily because of that hormone. Alpha Males by definition aren't oppressive. Being Alpha Male is about being a leader, and a true leader is assertive. "Alpha Males" who are extremely aggressive and domineering are either still stuck in the Beta Male paradigm where they're fighting to become the Alpha Male, OR they are Alphas who have little confidence to withhold their high status. Think of Thrawn or Obi-Wan as examples of actual Alpha Males.
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-MUSTAFAR- Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/16 12:53am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	On the subject of how powerful Anakin could have become: I believe he would have discovered astounding Force powers inconceivable to any Force user that had come before him. Who knows, maybe had he not suffered the injuries on Mustafar, or even had become a Sith, he might have mastered the power of immortality of self and loved ones on the physical plain.
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henchman24 Registered: Feb '08	Date Posted: 3/16 11:38pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	-MUSTAFAR- posted: Alpha Males by definition aren't oppressive. Being Alpha Male is about being a leader, and a true leader is assertive. "Alpha Males" who are extremely aggressive and domineering are either still stuck in the Beta Male paradigm where they're fighting to become the Alpha Male, OR they are Alphas who have little confidence to withhold their high status. Think of Thrawn or Obi-Wan as examples of actual Alpha Males. Good thread... Great post Mustafar, this is often misunderstood when it comes to observing the social structures of Gorillas. Violent and aggressive actions are only used when needed, but so are kind and nurturing actions. The aggressive actions just stand out to the random observer, so they are marked. Interestingly I think Anakin could have surely overthrown Palps, as he suggested to Padme, in the "I am more powerful" sense. However in the "Alpha Male" sense Its Anakins lack of patience, subtlety, and intelligence amongst other things that would have caused him to fail. He had huge balls throughout the entire saga as both Anakin/Vader, but was always a follower. Even in the end he was following Luke. Having power is one thing, knowing how and when to use it is another. Even with infinite potential, Anakin would still need someone to follow, kind of sad really. -----signature----- time and relative dimension in space
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/17 7:02am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Also, having more midichlorians per cell than anyone is one thing, having actualized power/skill is something else. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 3/17 12:17pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Also, having more midichlorians per cell than anyone is one thing, having actualized power/skill is something else. Since Anakin had both...what is your point exactly? -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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