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HighlanderC Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/23 8:10pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Shadowman82 posted: He wasn't as powerful anymore by then . It seems to me that Darth Vader in suit is about equal with other strong Jedi . He was actually stronger... Because he had the will to kill everyone. He found the way to do it... in one fight he even bladed himself to kill a jedi... That requires BALLS! figuratively speaking....
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Game3525 Registered: Jun '08	Date Posted: 6/28 6:33am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Rossa83 posted: Well, the thing is that Lucas showed the duel between Yoda and Sideous and Anakin and OBW simultaneously, thus explicitly showing the great gap in power between the contestants - a force push contest vs a force lightning contest for instance. Anakin might have had the potential, but something tells me he would never reach the dedication of say Sideous, and hence he could not have reached his full potential. IMHO, he would have been slightly more powerful than Yoda and Sideous. If we go by the Novel, Anakin already surpassed Master Yoda. The duel was not mean't to show the power gap between Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Sidious. Obi-Wan trained Anakin, so it would make sense that the duel was more even. -----signature----- Skywalker and Kenobi: The team "Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say what not." -Bobby Kennedy
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 6/28 7:05am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...? - Date Edited: 6/28 7:12am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBoba
	xx_Anakin_xx posted: And he even offered to have Obi-Wan join him - explicitly against Sidious' determination that Obi-Wan had to go. When in the scene did he do this? I know the Dark Lord novel says he wanted to have Obi-Wan join him, but I don't recall any lines to that effect. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 6/28 9:52am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...? - Date Edited: 6/28 9:53am (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	Game3525 posted: If we go by the Novel, Anakin already surpassed Master Yoda. On the other hand, if we go by the films, all references to Anakin being the most powerful Jedi are in the hypothetical future tense. We know he surpasses Yoda in terms of midichlorian count, but there is this: OBI-WAN: Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin. YODA: To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not. Yoda is strong enough to fight Sidious. Obi-Wan is not strong enough to fight Sidious. Obi-Wan is strong enough to fight Anakin. Even the novel eventually abandons its hyperbolic assessment and refers to Anakin as "one of the most powerful Jedi". -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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Game3525 Registered: Jun '08	Date Posted: 6/28 1:11pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Game3525 posted: If we go by the Novel, Anakin already surpassed Master Yoda. On the other hand, if we go by the films, all references to Anakin being the most powerful Jedi are in the hypothetical future tense. We know he surpasses Yoda in terms of midichlorian count, but there is this: OBI-WAN: Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin. YODA: To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not. Yoda is strong enough to fight Sidious. Obi-Wan is not strong enough to fight Sidious. Obi-Wan is strong enough to fight Anakin. Even the novel eventually abandons its hyperbolic assessment and refers to Anakin as "one of the most powerful Jedi". The only reason Obi-Wan has a chance against Anakin is because he trained him. -----signature----- Skywalker and Kenobi: The team "Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say what not." -Bobby Kennedy
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Title: Manager: • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 6/28 8:15pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Agreed. While Anakin was overconfident, he was still more powerful than Obi-Wan. However have trained and fought side by side for so many years, Obi-Wan had a handle on Anakin's style and form of combat.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/28 8:56pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	^ ^ ^ This is a popular argument, but having learned from and then fought alongside Obiwan for years, wouldn't Anakin have enjoyed a similar advantage in that duel? To me, all the ability and raw power in the galaxy is of little use if it can't be harnessed and used effectively at crucial moments. True power is about effectiveness. Obiwan was able to keep his head against Anakin and consequently defeated him. He was superior mentally and so, in the final analysis, more powerful than Anakin at that point.
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi Title: Manager: • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 6/28 9:07pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Agreed. When I referred to power I was commenting on Anakin's raw power/potential due to his enhanced connection to the force. Obi-Wan however held a clear advantage when it came to control. Consequently Anakin's arrogance and inflated belief in his own power was defeated by Obi-Wan's measure counterattack. In regards to how Obi-Wan survived the duel, while they both would have had a knowledge of the fighting style of the other, I feel that knowledge would have benefited Obi-Wan more so than Anakin. Again, Anakin's immense raw ability (and arrogance) made it less likely that he would have relied on that knowledge, whereas Obi-Wan needed it to survive.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/28 9:12pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Yes, I agree with that. Obiwan would be the one more likely to utilize the knowledge of his adversary's technique and approach. Anakin would likely believe that his raw power was such that he needn't have relied on it.
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HighlanderC Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/28 10:23pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Anakin was holding back. As said in the novel "For old times sake". Anaking was fed up with the duel so he wanted to end it... I am sure a freaking flashback of the endless scolding and holding back came to his mind that he wanted to finish his master in style. He got overconfident and "died" that day. if you watch closely... Obi-Wan was really scared (I would be), that when Anakin says: This is the end for you my master... Look at obi-wans face and expression.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 6/29 1:17pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Anakin was fed up with the duel and wanted to end it. So he went and ended it by getting his limbs severed. That pretty much sums up what we've been saying about Anakin's mental frailty.
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HighlanderC Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/30 10:45pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	Gary_Buchenara posted: Anakin was fed up with the duel and wanted to end it. So he went and ended it by getting his limbs severed. That pretty much sums up what we've been saying about Anakin's mental frailty. Exactly... Look when obi wan hits him that puts him down on top of the table... he is "resting" while he TK's his saber. I am sure he was taking it easy... Obi wan taunts him and his dark-side failed him.
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EmeraldBlade Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 7/1 9:58pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...? - Date Edited: 7/1 10:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: EmeraldBlade
	On a side note (and whilst probably stating the obvious) the moral seems to be that potential is just that: potential. Anakin can't possibly be the only guy in the GFFA who failed to live up to his maximum potential. In fact, those who live up to their potential are in the minority. Anyone can have potential. Achieving is a different matter. Besides, the mind is not a separate entity from the body, thus Anakin's own personality has to be factored into the equation. -----signature----- I am not Colour Blind, believe it or not. And I can spell, believe it or not.
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DarthIktomi Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 7/1 11:11pm Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	You know that blond kid with the green lightsaber? That's exactly how powerful Anakin could've become.
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Obi-Chron Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 7/2 7:43am Subject: How Powerful could Anakin have become...?
	^^^ You mean the one who got fried by Palpatine in ROTJ? -----signature----- “The dark night of the soul comes just before revelation." ~ Joseph Campbell “It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasure of The Phantom Menace..." ~ SithStarSlayer
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