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stranger-danger Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 7/2 5:00pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/2 5:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: stranger-danger
	Gary_Buchenara posted: I agree that the "legend" was probably embellished in order to convince Anakin that he must turn to the Dark Side. The extent of this embellishment is very much up for debate I would say, particularly going on film content. As far as I'm concerned, the only embelishment was calling the story a legend. There are a number of problems with the "The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise" actually constituting a legened. Also, it can be said that he could not relate the story to Anakin without calling it a legend. As I said before, Palpatine would have instantly become a suspect for being Sith as soon as he gave any indication that he knew of the Sith's continued existence after the extinction that was supposed to have taken place over 1,000 years before the films. Therefore, from Anakin's perspective, Darth Plagueis and his apprentice would have been Sith that existed when the Sith ruled the Galaxy. Beyond calling it a "Sith legend", I think that Palpatine lied concerning the master teaching his apprentice everything he knew. This was told to ensure that Anakin would consider the possibility that the skill to maintain/create life could still be intact in the Sith teachings, even after at least 1,000 years, rather than lost with the death of the one to possess that power (as seems to be the case). Now, can we being speculation upon the nature of the power itself? There are questions as to the validity of the tale recounted by Palpatine, though I'm fairly certain that we can take for granted that not only did Darth Plagueis exist, but he possessed a power that somehow prolonged and created life. -----signature----- "Sometimes, you gotta' hit 'em in the crotch with a mallet so they feel ANYTHIN' at all." - My father, on satisfying hookers.
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 7/2 5:39pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/2 6:17pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Gary_Buchenara
	I go back to the questions I posed further up the page, relating to the time at which Anakin actually turned and he raised the issue of saving Padme. The fact that Sidious offered nothing in the way of possible assistance on the matter and basically as good as said that they'd have to work together to find the solution, raises doubts in my mind as to what the power actually involved. If he could offer no assistance to Padme, of what life-prolonging value was this power? My belief, based on the films alone, is that Sidious knew nothing which could really help Anakin save Padme and that the whole thing was a deception. I'm not even sure the legend of Plagueis and his mysterious power is true to be honest.
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stranger-danger Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 7/2 10:00pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/2 10:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: stranger-danger
	Gary_Buchenara posted: I go back to the questions I posed further up the page, relating to the time at which Anakin actually turned and he raised the issue of saving Padme. The fact that Sidious offered nothing in the way of possible assistance on the matter and basically as good as said that they'd have to work together to find the solution, raises doubts in my mind as to what the power actually involved. If he could offer no assistance to Padme, of what life-prolonging value was this power? My belief, based on the films alone, is that Sidious knew nothing which could really help Anakin save Padme and that the whole thing was a deception. I'm not even sure the legend of Plagueis and his mysterious power is true to be honest. Though Sidious admitted to not knowing the power, that dosen't mean that the power or its discoverer did not exist. In fact, as I mention in my post that started this thread, the details of the "Tragedy" are very specific and somewhat elaborate, too much so to merely be a red herring. Of course, Palpatine could have easily contrived such a story in order to offer Anakin some false hope of saving Padme by turning to the Dark Side, but from a dramatic perspective, it dosen't account for the reminiscent expression on Palpatine's face as he is reflecting on the murder of his master ("Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."). That particular shot would be entirely superfluous if the story was a complete fabrication. Additionally, and perhaps more importantly, is Palpatine's prior mention of how Plagueis could "influence the midi-chlorians to create life" as he pauses and looks longingly at Anakin. I am subscribed to the notion that this sequence is confirmation (in a dramatic sense) that this aspect of the power for "creating life" was responsible Anakin's fatherless conception. We have precedent for this idea in the "Making of" book for ROTS, wherein a previous draft for the scene in which Anakin turns to the Dark Side depicts Sidious revealing that he started the cell divisions that created him. Though this was a draft, this shows how the concept of the Sith being responsible for Anakin's existence was present at least in earlier drafts, and, when coupled with that aforementioned scene where Palpatine speaks of creating life, still was present in the final script (though I suspect that either Palpatine was lying even in the earlier draft or only could apply the power insofar as creating life without being able to prolong life, and that responsibility for Anakin's creation was either always with Plagueis in the development of ROTS or it was later allocated to him [the latter being more likely IMO]). I think that Lucas would not introduce a new character (albeit an unseen one) to the films as only a fabrication of one of the characters, especially one presented in the way Plagueis was. I think that Plagueis' name was dropped so that it would serve as a hint towards a backstory for Palpatine, allowing it to be explored in future media. Indeed, a novel that featured Darth Plagueis as a prominent character was planned, but was cancelled as it was deemed not the right to delve into Palpatine's backstory. This cancellation has led me to believe that Lucas has his own plans for relaying Plagueis' story, possibly in the forthcoming live-action series. Therefore, considering that the "Tragedy" contains details that would be extraneuous if it were entirely fabricated by Palpatine, we can safely assume that there was at least some truth to the tale, namely the existence of a Sith Lord named Darth Plagueis and his power. As for Anakin's cooperation with Sidious despite his admission that he did not possess the power to "cheat death", it can be said that Anakin took him at his word, and while this seems irrational, I offer you this link to a thread which offers an interesting explanation for Anakin's radical change of behavious after becoming Darth Vader. http://boards.theforce.net/revenge_of_the_sith/b10331/19791627/p1 -----signature----- "Sometimes, you gotta' hit 'em in the crotch with a mallet so they feel ANYTHIN' at all." - My father, on satisfying hookers.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 7/3 4:38am Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/3 4:43am (1 edits total) Edited By: VadersLaMent
	Supreme Chancellor: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The parts here separated bythe "..." are not mustually exclusive. Influence the midichlorians and you create and/or manipulate life, including living a long time. Here in real life longevity is a very serious field of research now. Through the manipulation of genes sceintists have increased the lifespan of worms to what would be the equivalent of a 500 year old human who would be youthful and vigorous for most of that time. So a lil suspension of disbelief; if we can almost do it why can't the GFFA? The midi's themselves are the basis for life in GFFA. They probably are beyond their technology to manipulate. Some beings are naturally long lived and others are not, but the midi's resist tampering. It is only through something extreme such as Darth Plagueis manipulating them through the Force that any further longevity is possible. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic-Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God-Michael Shermer I'm a sexy shoeless GOD OF WAR! #347 on SLG's List Of Sexy Men
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Gary_Buchenara Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 7/3 4:32pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/3 4:40pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Gary_Buchenara
	Anakin's response does seem irrational, in light of previous discussions, but I can just about buy it on account of the tumultuous events which were unfolding. He would've been in a state of shock, if nothing else. I'm sure Plagueis existed and there was probably some truth to what Sidious was telling Anakin in the Opera scene. But to me, there's too much amiss between the Opera discussion and the subsequent one for me to be able to settle on what was actually going on with Plagueis. I'm not convinced that there wasn't a fair bit of bull**** and baffle being spun by Sidious. Stuff which ultimately he was unable to deliver on. Sidious knew that Anakin was afraid of losing Padme. It was on account of this that he told him the "legend" in order to further entice him to the Dark Side. Why, then, when the issue is raised again later, did he react in the way that he did? I can see two possibilities. 1. There was a third party who had discovered the secret to immortality. If so, why did Sidious not refer to the Plagueis power at all, which had been the essence of the previous discussion with Anakin and which would surely have been highly relevant to the Padme situation, even if it didn't involve permanently defying death? 2. Plagueis was the "one" referred to as having the power to cheat death. If so, then the part about Plagueis telling his apprentice everything he knew is a lie, because had he done so, at least one other person would have known about the power. These are the only two possibilities I can see, and neither of them is logical. Therefore I conclude there there is incongruity either in-universe, in terms of Sidious' story, or in writing.
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stranger-danger Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 7/3 7:39pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	Gary_Buchenara posted: Anakin's response does seem irrational, in light of previous discussions, but I can just about buy it on account of the tumultuous events which were unfolding. He would've been in a state of shock, if nothing else. I'm sure Plagueis existed and there was probably some truth to what Sidious was telling Anakin in the Opera scene. But to me, there's too much amiss between the Opera discussion and the subsequent one for me to be able to settle on what was actually going on with Plagueis. I'm not convinced that there wasn't a fair bit of bull**** and baffle being spun by Sidious. Stuff which ultimately he was unable to deliver on. Sidious knew that Anakin was afraid of losing Padme. It was on account of this that he told him the "legend" in order to further entice him to the Dark Side. Why, then, when the issue is raised again later, did he react in the way that he did? I can see two possibilities. 1. There was a third party who had discovered the secret to immortality. If so, why did Sidious not refer to the Plagueis power at all, which had been the essence of the previous discussion with Anakin and which would surely have been highly relevant to the Padme situation, even if it didn't involve permanently defying death? 2. Plagueis was the "one" referred to as having the power to cheat death. If so, then the part about Plagueis telling his apprentice everything he knew is a lie, because had he done so, at least one other person would have known about the power. These are the only two possibilities I can see, and neither of them is logical. Therefore I conclude there there is incongruity either in-universe, in terms of Sidious' story, or in writing. Of course, there is incongruity with Palpatine's account of Plagueis and his ability. I maintain that Palpatine indeed lied about Plagueis passing on everything he knew to his apprentice so that Anakin would think that defecting to the Sith would allow him access to that power. Of course, one might say a rational person, upon hearing that the means to save their loved one was not as readily accessible as was told to them, would change their mind about submitting to the Sith. However, we can take into account Anakin's desperation to save Padme so that he accepted that Palpatine had been lying to him earlier but recognised that he had been manipulated so that the Sith would gain his assitance in discovering the power. Alternatively, as outlined in the thread whose link I posted in my last post, Anakin might have experienced a "Sith Mind Trick" that restructured his belief system. The evidence is compelling and, while at first difficult to accept, certainly offers a more satisfying explanation for Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. You could chalk it up to poor writing, but even then, there is no real incongruity in the plot, as it could just be that Anakin was an irrational human being and was written to be so. -----signature----- "Sometimes, you gotta' hit 'em in the crotch with a mallet so they feel ANYTHIN' at all." - My father, on satisfying hookers.
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xx_Anakin_xx Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 7/3 7:57pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	I agree Sidious lied about the knowledge that was passed on (knowing what Anakin understood him to mean) - he admitted as much later when he said he and Anakin would work it out. But I think he also lied about the knowledge that Darth P actually had - at least as far as the canon was developed at that point. Manipulation via mixing truth and lies was Sidious' MO. Anakin was sucker punched by his overly compassionate nature which caused him to attach to things so devoutly - well as a Jedi anyway because normally that would be a good thing. But as a Jedi facing good and evil, it was a black hole for him and he was sucked in. Nonetheless, Darth P was presumably very powerful, it is just that he was built up to be more than he was. Actually the same ended up being true of Palpatine in the EU...sigh. -----signature----- I say we put together a 'kill squad' and assassinate Darth Krayt. Who's with me?
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/4 11:48am Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/4 12:18pm (7 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	CaptainGiladPellaeon posted: As others have pointed out, Sidious may not mean the same thing by "cheat death" that people in our world do, but the fact that people in our world use the term proves that "cheat death" has a plenitude of meanings, many of which need not imply permanent immortality, so Sidious' use of the term is not necessarily a reference to immortality. In-universe only one being in history achieved it. Thus it cannot be comparable to the commonly encountered real-world usages of the term. stranger-danger posted: In conjunction with what had been established earlier in the film, the potentially ambiguous passage referring to a singular Sith Lord is unlikely. In conjunction with ROTS the passage refers to one Sith. In any event, disputing the number of Sith is a distraction in this case. The point of the passage is clear: it is a lost power possessed by an ancient Sith, and Plagueis did not achieve it. As another example from the EU, Death Star also establishes that Plagueis did not achieve the power. stranger-danger posted: Your opinion that it refers to the "one" that Sidious mentioned is contingent upon your interpretation of what the term "cheat death" entails (that it refers invariably to the complete prevention of death). No, it's contingent on an understanding of the passage and the author's interpretation. You're obviously free to disregard EU if you want, but in this case the author is clearly referring to the "only one" scene in the film, as evidenced by his use of the phrase "cheated death". Dark Lord posted: As it was, Sidious and a host of medical droids had merely restored Anakin to life, which - while no small feat - was a far cry from returning someone from death. For thousands of years, the ability to survive death had been pursued by Sith and Jedi alike, and no one had been successful at discovering the secret. Beings had been saved from dying, but no one had cheated death. The most powerful of the ancient Sith Lords had known the secret, but it had been lost or, rather, misplaced. Now that the galaxy was his to rule, there was nothing to prevent Sidious, too, from unlocking that mystery. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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TaradosGon Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 7/4 1:24pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	Arawn_Fenn posted: In-universe only one being in history achieved it. Thus it cannot be comparable to the commonly encountered real-world usages of the term. People in the real world don't possess some innate ability to cheat death on will alone. It's luck. In any case it's used to refer to incidents in which death is narrowly avoided, not when someone dies and returns to life. Anakin wants the power to help save Padme from dying, not to return her to life (even though it stands to reason that if Plagueis could create life by influencing midichlorians to create entirely new beings, than he can probably imbue life in the recently deceased. Arawn_Fenn posted: In conjunction with ROTS the passage refers to one Sith. In any event, disputing the number of Sith is a distraction in this case. The point of the passage is clear: it is a lost power possessed by an ancient Sith, and Plagueis did not achieve it. As another example from the EU, Death Star also establishes that Plagueis did not achieve the power. Lucas doesn't really pay attention to the EU and in his film Plagueis is the only Sith alluded to that had the power which Anakin wanted. When Palpatine refers to the "one" that could cheat death, previous statements make the viewer associate the "one" with Plagueis. Someone who had read some EU that claimed otherwise might interpret it differently, but as a stand alone film, independent of the EU, nothing pushes the idea that Palpatine is referring to different powers, or that the "one" that could cheat death is someone other than Plagueis. It's made clear at the end of ROTS that it's too late to save Padme when it turns out she died. If Vader was looking for the power to return the dead to life, as alluded to in the quote you provided from Dark Lord, then you'd think that he'd take possession of her body and put it in stasis or something, so that one day he might return her to life, and if that was his goal, you'd think he might make mention of it to Luke when trying to seduce him. As for the relationship between creating life and saving people from death, it's likely that the two are linked. I've heard that originally Sidious was going to claim responsibility for creating Anakin, but that it was cut because Lucas didn't want another "I am your father moment" and wanted fans to come to their own conclusions. Yet, he left the portion in the film in which Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis could create life and goes on to say that he could prevent people from dying. Knowing how to shoot a basketball and being able to shoot three-pointers are two different things, but the two are linked. Plagueis knew how to create life, and while creating life was different from being able to save people from dying, the two were probably linked, as the flow of Palpatine's dialogue suggests.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/4 4:13pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/4 4:50pm (7 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	TaradosGon posted: People in the real world don't possess some innate ability to cheat death on will alone. It's luck. And hence not a real 'ability' at all, and certainly no comparison with a dark side Force power of the same name. TaradosGon posted: Lucas doesn't really pay attention to the EU Mileage varies. In some cases we know that he pays very close attention. In others, not so much. TaradosGon posted: as a stand alone film, independent of the EU, nothing pushes the idea that Palpatine is referring to different powers, or that the "one" that could cheat death is someone other than Plagueis. That's why I referred to the author's reasoning rather than insisting an EU work should be accepted outright. Palpatine said that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew. That's in the film as opposed to EU. TaradosGon posted: It's made clear at the end of ROTS that it's too late to save Padme when it turns out she died. I'm not suggesting the power involves what would be tantamount to time travel; Luceno called it "the ability to survive death". TaradosGon posted: I've heard that originally Sidious was going to claim responsibility for creating Anakin, but that it was cut because Lucas didn't want another "I am your father moment" and wanted fans to come to their own conclusions. Or because it created conflict with TPM ( but that's only my theory ). -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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stranger-danger Registered: Jan '09	Date Posted: 7/4 9:27pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/4 10:08pm (4 edits total) Edited By: stranger-danger
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Dark Lord posted: As it was, Sidious and a host of medical droids had merely restored Anakin to life, which - while no small feat - was a far cry from returning someone from death. For thousands of years, the ability to survive death had been pursued by Sith and Jedi alike, and no one had been successful at discovering the secret. Beings had been saved from dying, but no one had cheated death. The most powerful of the ancient Sith Lords had known the secret, but it had been lost or, rather, misplaced. Now that the galaxy was his to rule, there was nothing to prevent Sidious, too, from unlocking that mystery. Interesting. Here, the term "cheat death" is specifically identified as something completely separate from pre-emptively preventing death. However, the author of that novel holds the same opinion on what "cheating death" entails as you do (in fact, it was probably where you adopted your useage of the term). Additionally, I don't think that Luceno means to imply that the "only one" to have learned that power was intended to have been any one other than Plagueis (let alone some other heretofore unknown Sith Lord). As I stated earlier, I think that the passage in Dark Lord you referred to was a means to reconcile the existence of Sith Lords becoming Force Ghosts when ROTS contradicts the presence of Force Ghosts in most, if not all, instances where they were featured in EU texts. I don't think that Luceno based his interpreation of the term "cheat death" on how Lucas used it, and I doubt that he meant to imply that Sidious referred to anyone other than Plagueis as the "only one" to have the power. For a moment, let us all assume that Sidious was referring to another Sith when he mention the "one". The question we are then posed with is: Why? Why would the script establish (or allude to) earlier in the film the existence of a Sith with the power to create and maintain life with the Force, have Anakin submit to the Dark Side to learn this power to save Padme, then have Sidious state that it is a whole other power that is necessary to keep her alive? Why was the "Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise" necessary to recount if he could have recalled (or fabricated) the story of the Sith that could "return[] someone from death"? One answer could be that Sidious had experienced firsthand the events of the "Tragedy", and could offer a more complete and heartfelt account of the circumstances surrounding a power which could be used in staving off Padme's death, so as to avoid his deception being detected (the powers of the Jedi in mind-reading could be such that they can determine when one is being truthful, and Palpatine accomodated for this by using his considerable mental will and telling half-truths), while his ultimate goal was to gain assitance from Anakin in discovering a power that was somewhat related to Plagueis' ability but different in that it could restore life to the dead. However, this would be an unecessary complication. Why must there be another Sith with no previously established development? What dramatic/literary purpose would it serve for the story of ROTS to have this Sith brought up in what can be said to be a non-sequitor? One answer to that would be that the line is intended to allude to another story that is intended to be told in some other medium, establishing the existence of a character who would be part of another plot for a Star Wars novel, TV series etc. However, if that were the case, then why is it not clear to most of the audience that this other "one" is someone different from Plagueis? Why not be more explicit in the mentioning of the "one" in order to firmly establish this Sith as another character? As the script goes, the mention of the "only one" "to cheat death" does little to suggest that the "one" is anyone other than Plagueis. Certainly, if it is intended to be a separate character with no prior established development, it would be an intentionally misleading remark on the part of the script writers. So, why would they be misleading in meaning to refer to another Sith? One could argue that they intend to refer back to this scene through a flashback or some other measure and then reveal that it was another Sith who could "cheat death". But then I come back to my original question as to why they would put themselves through the trouble then they could have easily written "cheat death" in a way that applies to Plagueis' ability or have been more detailed in the mention of this other "one". Ultimately, I did not find a satisfactory justification from a dramatic sense for this other "one" to be someone other than Plagueis. It would make little sense for this one-off line from the film to refer to a new character. -----signature----- "Sometimes, you gotta' hit 'em in the crotch with a mallet so they feel ANYTHIN' at all." - My father, on satisfying hookers.
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TaradosGon Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 7/5 6:28am Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis - Date Edited: 7/5 6:33am (1 edits total) Edited By: TaradosGon
	Dave Filoni doesn't contradict the EU when it can be helped when working on TCW. Similarly, Luceno's choice to refer to some ancient Sith learning the power probably is probably fan service to the powerful Sith like Darth Sion that could keep themselves alive when their wounds should have killed them, or the Sith Emperor in the The Old Republic MMO who is 1,300+ years old and has kept himself alive using dark side techniques. I'm not too familiar with the EU but I believe I read of someone called Darth Andeddu (sp?) who is also an ancient Sith that allegedly knew the secret to immortality. Establishing Plagueis as the only one to have learned the power to cheat death would retcon all of these ancient Sith. But if Luceno tries to establish that the 'one' was not Plagueis, but some ancient Sith then it leaves a bit more room for these EU Sith. But, in separating the 'one' from Plagueis, and separating the ability to cheat death from the ability to save people from death, it creates awkwardness in ROTS.
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Obi-Chron Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 7/5 7:06pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	^^^ EU = alternate universe in many ways. The EU has little if any bearing on the six film saga, and Lucas has said so on more than one occasion. GL does pay homage to the EU fan base "from time to time," but whatever "happens" before the opening scene of TPM or after the final scene of ROTJ is not really topical for SW film saga discussion. The films are "Anakin's story." So introducing Plagueis the Wise is as far as the maker takes us in the PT. Palpatine tells Anakin Plagueis was so powerful, he could save the ones he loved from death. The Chancellor-Sith does not tell Anakin that Plagueis was the most powerful Sith ever, but that the power Anakin seeks has only been achieved by one, who we assume at that point is Plagueis. I have a pretty big problem with an apprentice spinning a story about his former master and then calling the tale "a Sith legend." Technically, when Palpatine killed Plagueis, he was the Sith order. So he must have then decided to relegate his former master to 'legend' status for Maul . . . and Anakin. After all, history [and legends] are written by the winners. -----signature----- “The dark night of the soul comes just before revelation." ~ Joseph Campbell “It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasure of The Phantom Menace..." ~ SithStarSlayer
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/6 4:08pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	stranger-danger posted: Additionally, I don't think that Luceno means to imply that the "only one" to have learned that power was intended to have been any one other than Plagueis (let alone some other heretofore unknown Sith Lord). That is, however, exactly what the passage says: that it was known to an ancient Sith but unknown to the current generation of Sith which included Plagueis and Sidious. -----signature----- "James T. Kirk was a great man... but that was another life."
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TaradosGon Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 7/6 4:34pm Subject: The Power of Darth Plagueis
	Obi-Chron posted: ^^^ EU = alternate universe in many ways. The EU has little if any bearing on the six film saga, and Lucas has said so on more than one occasion. GL does pay homage to the EU fan base "from time to time," but whatever "happens" before the opening scene of TPM or after the final scene of ROTJ is not really topical for SW film saga discussion. The films are "Anakin's story." So introducing Plagueis the Wise is as far as the maker takes us in the PT. Palpatine tells Anakin Plagueis was so powerful, he could save the ones he loved from death. The Chancellor-Sith does not tell Anakin that Plagueis was the most powerful Sith ever, but that the power Anakin seeks has only been achieved by one, who we assume at that point is Plagueis. I have a pretty big problem with an apprentice spinning a story about his former master and then calling the tale "a Sith legend." Technically, when Palpatine killed Plagueis, he was the Sith order. So he must have then decided to relegate his former master to 'legend' status for Maul . . . and Anakin. After all, history [and legends] are written by the winners. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, Palpatine probably coated the Plagueis story as a "legend" since as far as everyone knew (Palpatine excluded) the Sith just resurfaced for the first time in 1,000 years. If Palpatine was talking about his master, he had to present it as a legend, otherwise he would be revealing the knowledge that the Sith were still around.
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